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goAsia Aug 8, 2012 10:56 pm


Originally Posted by echip (Post 19085815)
Yep, Barclays is very conservative. They do look for recent accounts openings even from other issuers. If you opened too many new accounts, they might not give any credit. But since OP have an excellent score and have not had any card with Barclays, probably no issue to get the US Air card.

Barclay closed all my accounts with them in my mini-AOR in March. I already had the US Air card from several months earlier, but I wanted to try churning it as others had reported doing. I got declined and called the recon line. The rep told me that I was a high risk because of all my recent apps (maybe 10 or 12 in the previous year) and that not only were they going to deny me for the new card, but they were also going to close my existing account.

Strangely enough, on the same day Chase instantly approved me for the largest credit limit they've ever given me.

That said, your current AOR looks good. Just be prepared to do battle with Barclay if you've had a lot of recent hard pulls.

Often1 Aug 9, 2012 6:41 am


Originally Posted by Majikow (Post 19086357)
I was reading into it today on a few different sites (Bankrate, a couple finance sites, etc), and they were basically saying that once you get to 760, you're probably not going to get a better rate for being at 790 or 810. That makes sense in a way, but if anyone has experienced otherwise, I'd love to hear any datapoints.

Talk to your mortgage broker. They can tell you the qualifications for rock bottom rates. Also, remember, it's not just credit score any more. Mortgage lenders focus on # of applications, # of cards, recency, length of history and other such things.

Also worth running what a 0.1% drop in rate does for you over 5, 10 and 15 years. Generally a lot more than a cash purchase of a couple of F RTW tix !

marata28 Aug 9, 2012 12:13 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 19088070)
Also worth running what a 0.1% drop in rate does for you over 5, 10 and 15 years. Generally a lot more than a cash purchase of a couple of F RTW tix !

You must get really cheap F RTW tickets! A drop from 4.0% to 3.9% on a 30-year fixed rate mortgage of $250,000 would result in a $5,172 increase in total payments over the 30 year term. Using your example of 5, 10, and 15 years the amount would be significantly less ($676, $1423, and $2250 respectively).

That being said, I agree with the OP in that once your credit score is in the high 700s, any incremental improvement is unlikely to impact the mortgage rates you can get.

Majikow Aug 9, 2012 12:34 pm

So I went for it today and got approved for all 9 cards (phew!). I was sweating after first sending all the applications and not getting more instant approvals.

Total: 515k miles/points
270k Hilton pts (incl VA50k->100k, HI 35k -> 70k)
30k Starpoints
100k Southwest miles
40k US Airways Miles
75k Membership Rewards


Here were my results:

Instant Approval:
30k SPG points ($5k in 6 months, $0) - Experian
2x50k HHonors Pts Citi Hilton ($1k in 4 months) two browser trick – Experian
50k VA -> 100k Hilton BofA ($2.5k in 3 months, $90 fee)
40k pts Barclay US Airways (first use, $0) - Transunion

Had to call:
75k point Amex Gold Business for $2k spend in 4 mo (targeted) - Experian
Called up, the guy was nice and just verified my identity and then approved me and said he would expedite the card so it'll be to me in 2-3 days.
50k SW points personal ($1k in 3 months, $69) - Equifax
Called up recon line and they said I was initially declined. I explained why I wanted the card, she put me on hold, and then came back and said they could reconsider as long as I moved existing credit line.
50k SW points business ($1k in 3 months, $69) – Equifax
Called biz reconsideration line, she pulled up my app, said she needed to just ask a few questions about the biz and she could approve.

35k Hawaiian Air Bof HI ($1k in 4 months) – Experian?
Called up recon line. CSR said she just needed to make sure I didn't accidentally submit a second app (since I submitted the Virgin App at the same time). I explained I needed the HI miles for a honeymoon and it wasn't a mistake.

aarif1 Aug 9, 2012 12:43 pm

Nice, congratulations on the successful apps! Now, good luck meeting that spend requirement...

koolr Aug 9, 2012 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by Majikow (Post 19086263)
Saw it in the comments here: http://millionmilesecrets.com/2012/0...est-companion/

Looks like it might have just been confused people, but I wanted to make sure, because I don't normally fly Southwest, so the CP would really be my only reason for applying.

You need to read it again! It says the cc bonus miles DO still count towards companion pass!

Congratulations on your success!!

goAsia Aug 9, 2012 7:03 pm

That's an impressive haul, much better than any AOR I've ever done.

2 suggestions going forward.

1) Go for the Southwest Companion Pass. You only need 10,000 more points, and their shopping portal can help you get there pretty quick. Frequent Milers blog would be your go to source for this.

2) Get an Amex Hilton card, either the no fee one or the Surpass one. That will give you access to Hilton's AXON awards which many consider to be the best use of Hilton points. U

PresskittJon Aug 9, 2012 7:22 pm

Congrats! Please reply back over the next few months updating how your credit score was affected.

longhorn11 Aug 9, 2012 7:38 pm


Originally Posted by PresskittJon (Post 19092790)
Congrats! Please reply back over the next few months updating how your credit score was affected.

Also if you could see which inquiries were combined. I tried a Chase biz and personal earlier this year and it resulted in two. Congrats btw, impressive haul.

Majikow Aug 9, 2012 7:49 pm

I'll definitely give updates RE: credit score and inquiries.

Anyone have any recommendations on best way to track inquiries? I track scores through Credit Sesame, Credit Karma, and then I get my FICO (Experian) score through my old credit union. I don't seem to have nearly as much info on credit inquiries. Do I have to wait til I get my free report once a year? Or should I just buy them for like $10 or whatever I can get them for?

koolr Aug 9, 2012 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by Majikow (Post 19092921)
I'll definitely give updates RE: credit score and inquiries.

Anyone have any recommendations on best way to track inquiries? I track scores through Credit Sesame, Credit Karma, and then I get my FICO (Experian) score through my old credit union. I don't seem to have nearly as much info on credit inquiries. Do I have to wait til I get my free report once a year? Or should I just buy them for like $10 or whatever I can get them for?

I use Credit Secure from AmEx to keep track of my scores and inquires. It is $14.99/mo.

longhorn11 Aug 9, 2012 8:45 pm


Originally Posted by koolr (Post 19093147)
I use Credit Secure from AmEx to keep track of my scores and inquires. It is $14.99/mo.

You should check out USAA credit monitoring, you can call after a few months to cancel and you'll get all 3 reports daily for a little over $6 a month.

chemist661 Aug 9, 2012 9:31 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 19088070)
Talk to your mortgage broker. They can tell you the qualifications for rock bottom rates. Also, remember, it's not just credit score any more. Mortgage lenders focus on # of applications, # of cards, recency, length of history and other such things.

Also worth running what a 0.1% drop in rate does for you over 5, 10 and 15 years. Generally a lot more than a cash purchase of a couple of F RTW tix !

I refinanced 2 rental houses and both applications just closed. My mid bureau score was 788. One was over 800 and the lowest in the low 780's. My average age of accounts is low due to CC churning and other recent accounts. (car loan opened in mid 2010 and paid off in Dec 2011). No issues whatsoever!!! I do have nearly 20 yrs with the same employer (govt) with decent pay. I was told that was the largest factor in getting the approval at the lowest interest rates. (my scores were above average especially with the CC churns and all the recent account openings in the last 2 yrs). My second largest factor in the approval is nearly no debt excluding rental real estate. I had a few small balances on CC's that showed up on my reports but those got paid off every month and was extremely small (<1%) relative to my income.

Refinancing rental houses are usually a major PAIN but I was pleasantly surprised that mine was a "slam dunk" with zero issues.

Bottom line: Nice App-O-Rama!!

Majikow Aug 12, 2012 8:22 pm


Originally Posted by longhorn11 (Post 19093197)
You should check out USAA credit monitoring, you can call after a few months to cancel and you'll get all 3 reports daily for a little over $6 a month.

How did you get that price? I'm seeing $5.50 for Experian only, or $12.25 for all 3. Either way, not a bad deal.

longhorn11 Aug 12, 2012 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by Majikow (Post 19108659)
How did you get that price? I'm seeing $5.50 for Experian only, or $12.25 for all 3. Either way, not a bad deal.

You initially sign up at full price, wait a few months and call them back. Just tell them you're looking to cancel as you found a different service for less. They knock off 50% for 12 months. Excellent deal IMO.


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