USA issuers announce EMV cards (Chip & PIN -or- Chip & Signature).
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: LAX
Programs: AA EXP 1.5MM, Asiana Club Silver, KE Morning Calm, Hyatt Platinum, Amtrak Select
Posts: 7,161
USA issuers announce EMV cards (Chip & PIN -or- Chip & Signature).
List of EMV cards issued in the US
Here are the list of EMV options available today for US based cardholders on Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...k01SHZvTUMxdUE
Google Docs spreadsheet is left editable for anyone to update as they see it necessary
================================================== =======
Original post 2011/4/13
Best news regarding EMV cards in the US: Wells Fargo becomes first major US bank to test rolling out EMV for globetrotting clients
Wells Fargo's decision is going to be a big game changer by being the first major US bank to take the initiative. I’m sure they’re going to see lots of people, including myself, making the switch from their bank to Wells Fargo because of this.
I think I’ll go visit a Wells Fargo branch this afternoon.
Here are the list of EMV options available today for US based cardholders on Google Docs:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...k01SHZvTUMxdUE
Google Docs spreadsheet is left editable for anyone to update as they see it necessary
================================================== =======
Original post 2011/4/13
Best news regarding EMV cards in the US: Wells Fargo becomes first major US bank to test rolling out EMV for globetrotting clients
Wells Fargo's decision is going to be a big game changer by being the first major US bank to take the initiative. I’m sure they’re going to see lots of people, including myself, making the switch from their bank to Wells Fargo because of this.
I think I’ll go visit a Wells Fargo branch this afternoon.
Last edited by kebosabi; Jan 18, 2012 at 4:58 pm
#2
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 6,431
Best news regarding EMV cards in the US: Wells Fargo becomes first major US bank to test rolling out EMV for globetrotting clients
It would be nice to know the annual fee, foreign exchange costs and how to get one. The PR makes it sound like a trial with existing customers.
Seems Wells Fargo cards typically have no annual fee
https://www.wellsfargo.com/credit_cards/
#3
Original Poster
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: LAX
Programs: AA EXP 1.5MM, Asiana Club Silver, KE Morning Calm, Hyatt Platinum, Amtrak Select
Posts: 7,161
One interesting portion on that PR was the following quote:
All of Wells Fargo’s cards offer built-in security with the Zero Liability program. With this program, cardholders are protected against liability for any unauthorized transactions made at merchants, over the phone, on the Internet, or at the ATM. Wells Fargo, along with Visa, protects cardholders from fraud with zero liability to the customer, when reported promptly.
This could mean that Wells Fargo EMV cards will also have Zero Liability even if some crook was able to crack the Chip & PIN on those cards. ^
All of Wells Fargo’s cards offer built-in security with the Zero Liability program. With this program, cardholders are protected against liability for any unauthorized transactions made at merchants, over the phone, on the Internet, or at the ATM. Wells Fargo, along with Visa, protects cardholders from fraud with zero liability to the customer, when reported promptly.
This could mean that Wells Fargo EMV cards will also have Zero Liability even if some crook was able to crack the Chip & PIN on those cards. ^
#4
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: home = LAX
Posts: 25,933
Best news regarding EMV cards in the US: Wells Fargo becomes first major US bank to test rolling out EMV for globetrotting clients
Wells Fargo's decision is going to be a big game changer by being the first major US bank to take the initiative. I’m sure they’re going to see lots of people, including myself, making the switch from their bank to Wells Fargo because of this.
I think I’ll go visit a Wells Fargo branch this afternoon.
Wells Fargo's decision is going to be a big game changer by being the first major US bank to take the initiative. I’m sure they’re going to see lots of people, including myself, making the switch from their bank to Wells Fargo because of this.
I think I’ll go visit a Wells Fargo branch this afternoon.
Of course, if you're already on your way to the Wells Fargo, let us know if you find out differently.
#5
Original Poster
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: LAX
Programs: AA EXP 1.5MM, Asiana Club Silver, KE Morning Calm, Hyatt Platinum, Amtrak Select
Posts: 7,161
Just got back from a Wells Fargo branch and had a nice chat with the manager who said that there’s no assurance that I’d get one since it’s only a test issue to their customers who travel abroad frequently. One of the criteria that seems to be in place for the targeted trials are Wells Fargo clients who travel more than twice a year to Canada or Europe. I think most FTers would qualify for this if it goes full live then. ^
The manager also noted down my name and e-mail address onto a list that I was the third person that came in today that asked about this. I think it’s some kind of data collecting to see how many prospective customers they can lure on over to Wells Fargo. Quite satisfied, I mentioned on the way out that they’ll get my business when it goes on live, and the manager stated “that’s what we intend to do by differentiating our products from other banks.”
So if you’re interested, I suggest heading over to your nearest Wells Fargo. Even though you may not open up an account today, at least you’ll be able to provide a market data to Wells Fargo that there is a prime market out there in which it can take a step lead from other banks.
The manager also noted down my name and e-mail address onto a list that I was the third person that came in today that asked about this. I think it’s some kind of data collecting to see how many prospective customers they can lure on over to Wells Fargo. Quite satisfied, I mentioned on the way out that they’ll get my business when it goes on live, and the manager stated “that’s what we intend to do by differentiating our products from other banks.”
So if you’re interested, I suggest heading over to your nearest Wells Fargo. Even though you may not open up an account today, at least you’ll be able to provide a market data to Wells Fargo that there is a prime market out there in which it can take a step lead from other banks.
#7
Original Poster
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: LAX
Programs: AA EXP 1.5MM, Asiana Club Silver, KE Morning Calm, Hyatt Platinum, Amtrak Select
Posts: 7,161
But you're right, unless CapOne starts issuing EMV cards, we might have to decide between an EMV Wells Fargo card vs a non-EMV CapOne card.
#8
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 6,431
#9
Original Poster
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: LAX
Programs: AA EXP 1.5MM, Asiana Club Silver, KE Morning Calm, Hyatt Platinum, Amtrak Select
Posts: 7,161
One other thing that strikes me as interesting is that WF is targeting college kids in this test roll out. Is it because kids are more tech-savvy?
#10
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: ORD
Programs: AAdvantage Gold, UA 2P
Posts: 953
#11
Moderator
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Miami, Mpls & London
Programs: AA & Marriott Perpetual Platinum; DL & HH Gold
Posts: 48,953
I wouldn't characterize Wells Fargo in those terms, but we do have an account with them and the service is not satisfactory at the branch or at the system level.
#12
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,762
I characterize every bank that adds an additional foreign transaction fee as near criminal. Fees are a necessary evil; I get that. But a fee should be for an actual service performed. In the case of foreign currency conversion fees, the actual currency conversion is done by visa/mc. I can accept the 1% fee to protect them against wild currency conversions as they actually do the conversion. The bank receiving the charge has nothing to do with the conversion, assumes no risk of currency fluctuations. The foreign transacton fee is even worse. It's done just for spite because they want to screw the merchants using dynamic currency conversion. It's wrong and something federal regulators should have stopped long ago but I suppose the argument would be you do have a choice....
#13
Moderator
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Miami, Mpls & London
Programs: AA & Marriott Perpetual Platinum; DL & HH Gold
Posts: 48,953
In a market economy prices reflect supply and demand and are only vaguely related to costs. A business has no legal or ethical obligation to "justify" prices, and fees are no exception. Do business elsewhere and the fees will disappear.
#14
Original Poster
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: LAX
Programs: AA EXP 1.5MM, Asiana Club Silver, KE Morning Calm, Hyatt Platinum, Amtrak Select
Posts: 7,161
Following WF, JP Morgan Chase stated today that they too will also be issuing EMV cards:
JPMorgan Pushes Chip Cards to Wealthy in Race With Wells Fargo
Seems to be the initial target for Chase will be to upscale Palladium clients by June.
JPMorgan Pushes Chip Cards to Wealthy in Race With Wells Fargo
Seems to be the initial target for Chase will be to upscale Palladium clients by June.
Last edited by kebosabi; Apr 14, 2011 at 9:35 am
#15
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 6,431
Following WF, JP Morgan Chase stated today that they too will also be issuing EMV cards:
JPMorgan Pushes Chip Cards to Wealthy in Race With Wells Fargo
Seems to be the initial target for Chase will be to upscale Palladium clients by June.
JPMorgan Pushes Chip Cards to Wealthy in Race With Wells Fargo
Seems to be the initial target for Chase will be to upscale Palladium clients by June.
"Almost 10 million U.S. consumers experienced credit-card acceptance problems abroad in 2008, costing about $4 billion in lost transactions for merchants and $447 million in revenue for card issuers, according to a 2009 study by Aite Group, a Boston- based research firm."
Unless issuers are charging over 10% in fees, that seem implausible.
In any event, good news that Chase intends to enter the market and to roll out more broadly "“Initially, we are targeting the technology to our highest-spend clients,” Porter said. “Months after that we will issue the card to Chase-branded products.”"