the810

Most people wouldn't care. The two options won't be equal, there will always be differences in times, prices, etc. and people will pick whatever is more convenient for them.

At least here in Europe this idea never picked up (and I'm not talking just about the travel industry). It's very rare for businesses to require paperwork unless stipulated by law (and even then many choose to ignore it). It just doesn't make sense from the business perspective and the demand for such product is virtually non-existent.

GadgetFreak

It doesn’t work well unless it’s required. Require it to make more people get vaccinated. Also, travel spreads the pandemic this would help in that regard as well.

WeekendTraveler

Agreed, and I would pay more for one of these flights.

Plus masking would be strictly enforced. Yes, I know that on planes, you are allowed to take off your mask when eating or drinking--but when someone eats or drinks for the entire flight, that circumvents that protection. No mas!

Requiring vaccines could increase demand (not reduce it). I'm reluctant to fly because of the unvaccinated people who so. I'd take leisure trips now if I could be certain that everyone onboard was vaccinated.

See the NYC subway- the cautious vaccinated people in Manhattan are often scared to take it, due to the risks of being around unvaccinated, unmasked people.

GadgetFreak

I agree. There is zero reason for the government not to require vaccination to fly.

tai4de2

If airlines want to try vaccinated-only flights, and they can find a market for that, more power to the airlines and the customers for such flights. But wow things degenerate quickly from there... the no-longer-so-closeted tyrants come out in force.

GadgetFreak

I’m saying the government should require it. No reason why they shouldn’t.

Cathay1101

I don't think there's anything tyrannical about it whatsoever, and that's from someone who is ardently opposed to lockdowns and sceptical of mask mandates (those that only require you to cover your nose and mouth with 'something' and not wear certified surgical/FFP2 masks that actually do something). Getting vaccinated is a widely-held civic duty. Members of Parliament across the world (and, lo, even the US Congress for that matter) who represent every hue of the political spectrum have recognised this, no matter their other differences. It's hardly tyrannical to expect the vast majority of society who are medically suited to vaccination to do the same. It's selfishness and stupid to do otherwise, and society shouldn't be compelled to tolerate the risks these people impose on others. Stopping people from doing things because they're not vaccinated is exceptionally different to forcing people to inject something into their body, which I'd never support. That's tyrannical.

the810

But there aren't many people like you, at least in Europe. Increasingly people just don't care anymore, except few countries such as France. US may be a bit different since the pandemic was handled a bit differently in media.

If the market existed, there would already be a product to serve that market.

GUWonder

Regulatory intervention to deal with real or perceived market failures is nothing new. It works to keep roads safer than would otherwise be the case; and it can work to keep other travel safer and more open than would be the case absent government involvement to level the playing field industry-wide and deal with the reality of market failure when it comes to pubic safety interests.

the810

The debate is about airlines introducing them on their own. They already enforce it where required by law.

GUWonder

The debate is not just what you wish it to be. It’s about how the marketplace works and doesn’t work when it comes to public safety measures. Public safety measures need not just be introduced by airlines.

the810

I suggest you read the first post in the thread to find out what we're talking about. And also the thread you're replying to - that post was about possibility of airlines introducing this on their own, therefore your comments on government interventions aren't relevant. Government regulations like this already exist.

GUWonder

There are different ways to get there. One way involves government intervention where market forces may not otherwise lead to superior public safety/health outcomes as immediately, if at all as widely as desired.

nomiiiii

Pakistan as a country has now mandated vaccines for even domestic flights, including children over 12 or 15 something like that (with few medical exemptions)

The result is that lots of people crowd buses and trains now.

Why exactly are you worried about unvaccinated people? Being unvaccinated doesn't automatically make you a disease vector, and being vaccinated doesn't automatically make you immune from spreading covid.

1P

I'm quite sure that there'd be a large take-up for vaccinated-only flights, but there's not much point in it unless there's some kind of guarantee that all the airline's employees are also vaccinated. And from the other side, I'm also sure that most airline employees would also feel more comfortable if they knew that all the pax on their flight were vaccinated.