Sep 15, 2021, 1:47 pm
Last edit by: NewbieRunner
New thread for discussing 1-day test requirements for travellers arriving in the US by air
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
- AstraZeneca
- BIBP/Sinopharm
- Covishield
- Janssen/J&J
- Moderna
- Pfizer-BioNTech
- Sinovac
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)
Jun 30, 2021, 2:41 am
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That is one of the dumber things I have read in a while....
Jun 30, 2021, 2:49 am
#1367
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Care to explain yourself?
All I'm saying is that when vaccinations result in not becoming infected, or when you do get infected the symptoms will be very mild, it basically becomes a non-impacting disease hence no-one will care (ultimately)... Would you care if one has RS-virus or general influenza? If we can reduce the impact of covid to this level then one wouldn't care.
All I'm saying is that when vaccinations result in not becoming infected, or when you do get infected the symptoms will be very mild, it basically becomes a non-impacting disease hence no-one will care (ultimately)... Would you care if one has RS-virus or general influenza? If we can reduce the impact of covid to this level then one wouldn't care.
Jun 30, 2021, 3:18 am
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Jun 30, 2021, 3:47 am
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Jun 30, 2021, 4:05 am
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Care to explain yourself?
All I'm saying is that when vaccinations result in not becoming infected, or when you do get infected the symptoms will be very mild, it basically becomes a non-impacting disease hence no-one will care (ultimately)... Would you care if one has RS-virus or general influenza? If we can reduce the impact of covid to this level then one wouldn't care.
All I'm saying is that when vaccinations result in not becoming infected, or when you do get infected the symptoms will be very mild, it basically becomes a non-impacting disease hence no-one will care (ultimately)... Would you care if one has RS-virus or general influenza? If we can reduce the impact of covid to this level then one wouldn't care.
Jun 30, 2021, 4:24 am
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Agreed. This is what UK will do anyway. They are expecting 40k cases per day in late July but they still lift almost all restrictions. The key is that there is a 80% growth of new infection but only couple of percents of hospitalization/deaths growth. The covid is just part of the life.
Jun 30, 2021, 4:47 am
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Care to explain yourself?
All I'm saying is that when vaccinations result in not becoming infected, or when you do get infected the symptoms will be very mild, it basically becomes a non-impacting disease hence no-one will care (ultimately)... Would you care if one has RS-virus or general influenza? If we can reduce the impact of covid to this level then one wouldn't care.
All I'm saying is that when vaccinations result in not becoming infected, or when you do get infected the symptoms will be very mild, it basically becomes a non-impacting disease hence no-one will care (ultimately)... Would you care if one has RS-virus or general influenza? If we can reduce the impact of covid to this level then one wouldn't care.
Which is indeed what the future is likely to be : the disease will be endemic in countries with high enough vaccination rate and most likely everybody will get it once every few years but with a low burden on healthcare. This is assuming vaccinations all over the world is being done and that no countries are left behind. If not then large transmissions will be a reservoir for future variants with possibly one that put us back several steps behind.
As we are talking about infection while vaccinated, no it was not the Swedish approach.
Jun 30, 2021, 4:58 am
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The logic in this discussion is impeccable, but travel between largely vaccinated countries generally, and the US specifically, won't open up until a) politicians start believing in vaccinations, b) the general public start believing in vaccinations and c) politicians start explaining to the public what the connection is. It seems that the politicians in the UK and the US don't believe in vaccinations yet. Strangely, the EU seems further along that path, even if they are behind on actually vaccinating people.
Jun 30, 2021, 5:25 am
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Agreed. This is what UK will do anyway. They are expecting 40k cases per day in late July but they still lift almost all restrictions. The key is that there is a 80% growth of new infection but only couple of percents of hospitalization/deaths growth. The covid is just part of the life.
Jun 30, 2021, 5:28 am
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Jun 30, 2021, 5:32 am
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if you want to lift all restrictions with 40k delta cases a day and 33% unvaccinated and another 27% half vaccinated you can do so, as long as the EU locks you out…
Jun 30, 2021, 6:21 am
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If I understand Doxy correctly, he is saying that if you are vaccinated, then getting an infection is not a problem for most people. Which is correct, being infected while vaccinated will most likely mean an asymptomatic or paucisymptomatic disease. Only very few unlucky people or people with immuno-suppressive therapies or immu-deficient will have a strong or severe cases leading to hospitalizations or deaths.
Which is indeed what the future is likely to be : the disease will be endemic in countries with high enough vaccination rate and most likely everybody will get it once every few years but with a low burden on healthcare. This is assuming vaccinations all over the world is being done and that no countries are left behind. If not then large transmissions will be a reservoir for future variants with possibly one that put us back several steps behind.
As we are talking about infection while vaccinated, no it was not the Swedish approach.
Which is indeed what the future is likely to be : the disease will be endemic in countries with high enough vaccination rate and most likely everybody will get it once every few years but with a low burden on healthcare. This is assuming vaccinations all over the world is being done and that no countries are left behind. If not then large transmissions will be a reservoir for future variants with possibly one that put us back several steps behind.
As we are talking about infection while vaccinated, no it was not the Swedish approach.
Jun 30, 2021, 7:07 am
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given that the Swedish approach was to let the virus run with minimal control intervention on the basis that the vast majority of the population would not get a life threatening infection and to reach the goal of herd immunity, then I stand by my statement that this is “pretty much” the same approach.
Jun 30, 2021, 7:13 am
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I wasn’t passing judgement on if it was the right approach or not! My original response , which was then quoted out of context, was to a specific theme about vaccination, not a more general comment about how nations have managed the pandemic.
back to topic. Just preparing to cancel our august trip to the US and book an alternative holiday closer to home. Very disappointed and I’ve lost count of the number of trips now cancelled. Now to see if our December trip will happen. Odds aren’t brilliant
if you had told me in March 2020 that we would be where we are with travel restrictions, I would have questioned what you had been smoking. How wrong I would have been.
back to topic. Just preparing to cancel our august trip to the US and book an alternative holiday closer to home. Very disappointed and I’ve lost count of the number of trips now cancelled. Now to see if our December trip will happen. Odds aren’t brilliant
if you had told me in March 2020 that we would be where we are with travel restrictions, I would have questioned what you had been smoking. How wrong I would have been.
Jun 30, 2021, 7:16 am
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I wasn’t passing judgement on if it was the right approach or not! My original response , which was then quoted out of context, was to a specific theme about vaccination, not a more general comment about how nations have managed the pandemic.
back to topic. Just preparing to cancel our august trip to the US and book an alternative holiday closer to home. Very disappointed and I’ve lost count of the number of trips now cancelled. Now to see if our December trip will happen. Odds aren’t brilliant
if you had told me in March 2020 that we would be where we are with travel restrictions, I would have questioned what you had been smoking. How wrong I would have been.
back to topic. Just preparing to cancel our august trip to the US and book an alternative holiday closer to home. Very disappointed and I’ve lost count of the number of trips now cancelled. Now to see if our December trip will happen. Odds aren’t brilliant
if you had told me in March 2020 that we would be where we are with travel restrictions, I would have questioned what you had been smoking. How wrong I would have been.
We'll be waiting till July 5th to see if anything will be announced otherwise we'll push our August trip to 2022 and visit Europe this summer.