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US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)

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Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021

Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/

Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.

3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.

Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
  • AstraZeneca
  • BIBP/Sinopharm
  • Covishield
  • Janssen/J&J
  • Moderna
  • Pfizer-BioNTech
  • Sinovac
Vaccination certificates must come from an official source
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases

Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021

As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDCs website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.

COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021

The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).

To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).

What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.

- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates

- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.

- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.

- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.

- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.

Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.

CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html


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Old Jun 11, 21, 8:28 am
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This time I finally got completely upset.
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Rapid risk assessment: Assessing SARS-CoV-2 circulation, variants of concern, non-pharmaceutical interventions and vaccine rollout in the EU/EEA, 15th update (europa.eu)

"Although increasing vaccination coverage will mitigate the effect of replacement with more transmissible variants, decisions to ease measures need to be highly sensitive to the local context and include considerations about the current viral circulation, the prevalence of VOCs and the vaccination status. Modelling analysis shows that a significant increase in COVID-19-related cases in the EU/EEA remains possible if NPIs are relaxed too rapidly."
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Rapid risk assessment: Assessing SARS-CoV-2 circulation, variants of concern, non-pharmaceutical interventions and vaccine rollout in the EU/EEA, 15th update (europa.eu)

"Although increasing vaccination coverage will mitigate the effect of replacement with more transmissible variants, decisions to ease measures need to be highly sensitive to the local context and include considerations about the current viral circulation, the prevalence of VOCs and the vaccination status. Modelling analysis shows that a significant increase in COVID-19-related cases in the EU/EEA remains possible if NPIs are relaxed too rapidly."
For anyone interested, NPI stands for 'non pharmaceutical intervention'.
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The Delta variant is pretty lethal even for those vaccinated in the UK, so definitely a cause for concern...

Delta variant causes more than 90% of new Covid cases in UK | Coronavirus | The Guardian

"Of the 42 deaths recorded in England within 28 days of a positive test involving the Delta variant, 23 were in unvaccinated people, with 12 among those who were fully vaccinated and seven among people who had had one dose."
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Why cant chil go via DUB? Admissibility determination at US CBP Preclearance ports is generally as useful and should be the same as admissibility determination by US CBP at a port of entry on US territory if the person is admissible into US even when coming from an area restricted by the US. Or is the traveler using a loophole and perhaps cutting it too close and thus ending up in secondary at US airports of entry even if not coming directly to the US from an area restricted by the US due to Covid-19?
Because the process of arriving in DUB counts as arriving in Ireland - so when he presents at US CBP in DUB, he's presenting as someone who has set food in Ireland, and is therefore banned.
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Old Jun 11, 21, 9:30 am
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If you carefully read the actual numbers in the article (which are, admittedly, presented for least clarity), they indicate a very modest level of both serious outcomes in general, and letality in particular. Something on the scale of "well less than 1% hospitalization" and a "small ratio of that in fatal outcomes *after* the positive test" (which may or may not be directly COVID related, remember that "comes after" does not mean "because of").

I wish news outlets were required to publish complete statistics, normalized to the same timeframe and units.
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I will dig into the ONS data themselves later as I guess (assume) the vaccinated people in A&E or with even more severe outcomes are possibly either very old people or immunosuppressed people, so a population where the vaccine efficiency is lower than the results of studies. Which would of course re-inforce the point of mass vaccinations for everybody in order to protect those populations. But also re-inforce the problem of how to protect them in the meantime.
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I will dig into the ONS data themselves later as I guess (assume) the vaccinated people in A&E or with even more severe outcomes are possibly either very old people or immunosuppressed people, so a population where the vaccine efficiency is lower than the results of studies. Which would of course re-inforce the point of mass vaccinations for everybody in order to protect those populations. But also re-inforce the problem of how to protect them in the meantime.
Just looking at hospital admissions data and deaths, the combination of AZ vaccine and Delta variant is a bit concerning. Even if the vaccinated admissions/death data come from a very small percentage of heavily compromised patients who were vaccinated. In other countries with mRNA vaccines dominant and other Covid variants dominant, you see about 90%/10% ratio unvaccinated/vaccinated in those admitted to hospitals...
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Just looking at hospital admissions data and deaths, the combination of AZ vaccine and Delta variant is a bit concerning. Even if the vaccinated admissions/death data come from a very small percentage of heavily compromised patients who were vaccinated. In other countries with mRNA vaccines dominant and other Covid variants dominant, you see about 90%/10% ratio unvaccinated/vaccinated in those admitted to hospitals...
The article quotes pretty much exactly the same ratio. Specifically:
ccording to the report, since the start of February to 7 June, there were 33,206 Delta cases in England: while 19,573 were in unvaccinated individuals, 1,785 were among fully vaccinated people and 7,559 were among those who had received one jab, with the vaccination status of the remainder unclear.In total, 383 people in England were admitted to hospital with the Delta variant over that period – 223 of whom tested positive for Covid before turning up at A&E – with 42 having had two doses of the jab, 86 having one dose and 251 unvaccinated.
So, for detected cases 1785/33206 * 100% = 5.3%, i.e. 5.3% of *detected* Delta variant were among fully vaccinated.
For hospitalizations, 42/383 * 100% = 10.9%, i.e. 10.9% of those hospitalized with Delta variant were fully vaccinated.

It is the same "90%/10%" you refer to. What, exactly, is different here?
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The article quotes pretty much exactly the same ratio. Specifically:

So, for detected cases 1785/33206 * 100% = 5.3%, i.e. 5.3% of *detected* Delta variant were among fully vaccinated.
For hospitalizations, 42/383 * 100% = 10.9%, i.e. 10.9% of those hospitalized with Delta variant were fully vaccinated.

It is exactly the "90%/10%" you refer to. What, exactly, is different here?
The 10-12% of those hospitalized in Greece in April is for those who had either one (8-9%) or two doses (2-3%) of the vaccine altogether. In the UK data, it is 11% for those with two doses, and another 22% for those with one dose, for a 33% total.

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The 10-12% of those hospitalized in Greece is for those who had either one (8%) or two doses (2-3%) of the vaccine altogether. In the UK data, it is 11% for those with two doses, and another 22% for those with one dose, for a 33% total. (And these are from April data, when Greece had way fewer vaccinated than the UK has now, which intensifies the 10% to 33% difference).
Shifting goalposts much
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Shifting goalposts much
I accept you graciously conceding the argument...
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Maybe we've been blaming Biden for keeping travel from the UK restricted, when actually the problem is an irrationally skittish British government.

The lifting of all lockdown restrictions in England is likely to be delayed for up to a month from the planned date of 21 June, government sources have told the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ce-winter-wave
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FWIW, my feeling is that the US enacted these restrictions at least in part to have something to bargain with Europe about the reopening. So, US will open when sufficient progress in reopening Europe has been achieved (or when both sides come to an explicit agreement).
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FWIW, my feeling is that the US enacted these restrictions at least in part to have something to bargain with Europe about the reopening. So, US will open when sufficient progress in reopening Europe has been achieved (or when both sides come to an explicit agreement).
Does political party affect this or is this always the general American approach?
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