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Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021

Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/

Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.

3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.

Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
  • AstraZeneca
  • BIBP/Sinopharm
  • Covishield
  • Janssen/J&J
  • Moderna
  • Pfizer-BioNTech
  • Sinovac
Vaccination certificates must come from an official source
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases

Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021

As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDCs website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.

COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021

The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).

To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).

What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.

- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates

- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.

- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.

- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.

- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.

Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.

CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html


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Old Jun 9, 21, 8:09 am
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Seems like this task force is just a way so Biden can say that they are working on it when asked during his G7 visits without actually doing something.

I know nobody knows but when do you think the travel ban will get lifted? July? August? September? Even later?
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Old Jun 9, 21, 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by joebeee View Post
Seems like this task force is just a way so Biden can say that they are working on it when asked during his G7 visits without actually doing something.

I know nobody knows but when do you think the travel ban will get lifted? July? August? September? Even later?
Depends on how you define “lifted”

What I’m expecting is some smooth talking government officials to say over the next 3-5 months:

”we’re gonna take a phased approach”
”we’re gonna keep our hand on the e-brake”
”we’re gonna follow case rates and variants for ____ more weeks”

Tough to make any travel plans on that.
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Old Jun 9, 21, 8:13 am
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Originally Posted by joebeee View Post
Seems like this task force is just a way so Biden can say that they are working on it when asked during his G7 visits without actually doing something.

I know nobody knows but when do you think the travel ban will get lifted? July? August? September? Even later?
i will wait until 14th June to cancell my late July flight and possibly even the mid August. At this point I would be so happy if they open at least in September
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Old Jun 9, 21, 8:19 am
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i will wait until 14th June to cancell my late July flight and possibly even the mid August. At this point I would be so happy if they open at least in September
I will wait another month, in the absence of dates I will start bringing my investments back to Europe. I got tired of doing favors and paying taxes to these clowns.
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Old Jun 9, 21, 8:23 am
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Originally Posted by casey89 View Post
i will wait until 14th June to cancell my late July flight and possibly even the mid August. At this point I would be so happy if they open at least in September
Please also consider waiting till the 4th of July. Lot of people expect some news around that date.

And I agree. The frustrating thing IMO is that they say almost nothing. I would be relieved if they just mentioned a date or timeframe. Would not mind if it will be September or later. But just give us some info so we know what we are up to.

Hahaha, anyway, enough ranting for today.
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Old Jun 9, 21, 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by casey89 View Post
i will wait until 14th June to cancell my late July flight and possibly even the mid August. At this point I would be so happy if they open at least in September
Also in the same timeline. If a task force is created to discuss issues, then I don't expect anything else before a few months... "if you don't want to take a decision, create a working group"
So looking more and more like travel across the Atlantic this summer towards the us if not possible :-(
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Old Jun 9, 21, 8:54 am
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The US is looking at infection levels, vaccination levels and virus variant scene in the evaluation on how/when to open up to more international travel for specific countries.

Such evaluations have already been under way, as is publicly evident in dozens of countries being revised down this week to lower risk levels by CDC and State.
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Old Jun 9, 21, 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by joebeee View Post
Seems like this task force is just a way so Biden can say that they are working on it when asked during his G7 visits without actually doing something.

I know nobody knows but when do you think the travel ban will get lifted? July? August? September? Even later?
I dont think they want to reopen, if this carries on into September its going to be a hassle to remove the barriers.
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Old Jun 9, 21, 12:07 pm
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not true, my daughter 19yr got her first dose 4 weeks ago. Just a regular teenager in the U.K.
That's not widespread across the country though, and your daughter is in the minority
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Old Jun 9, 21, 12:08 pm
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I dont think they want to reopen, if this carries on into September its going to be a hassle to remove the barriers.
They can't stay shut forever, eventually it will have a significant impact on the economy
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Old Jun 9, 21, 12:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
Do not forget that the majority of people in UK have been vaccinated with the Astra Zeneca vaccine which is less effective against variants than Pfizer or Moderna. So what will happen in UK is not necessarily what will happen in other countries depending which vaccines have been used (AZ is not approved in US).
If you have both doses AZ is only slightly less effective - not enough to make significant difference.

Putting it into context, of the low number of people admitted to hospital with the Delta variant, the number who had been double vaccinated was 3...... the rest were either completely un-vaccinated or had only had the first jab.
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Old Jun 9, 21, 12:33 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder View Post
Most Turkish passport users in Turkey couldn’t freely go to the US 2 months ago. The US generally requires Turkish passport users to have a US visa in order to be admissible to the US. The US visa requirements for Turkish passport users have long acted as a brake on travel from Turkey, and it continues to be so during this pandemic.
Exactly, you can't get a non-essential visa appointment for the USA until 2022 here in Turkey and people and children/relatives of my friends that would start university or graduate studies in the USA starting from August 2021 are getting their F-1 visa appointment on January 2022.

The US consulate in Istanbul and the US embassy in Ankara has a very long line for visa appointments and they are backlogged.

Also for those others who are criticizing that Turkish citizens could travel freely from Turkey to the USA, I would suggest them to visit the US consulate in Istanbul; every time when I go there for a visa, 90% of the applicants get their visa application denied and leave the consulate with their passports in their hands.
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Old Jun 9, 21, 12:54 pm
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Well Biden has big goals, something about standing up to authoritarian regimes, is the big theme at this G7.

So he wants the Europeans to join with the US vs. China and Russia.

But the Europeans should push for lifting the ban, if they truly are suppose to be in an alliance. Not sure the EU leaders are prioritizing travel over other issues though.
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Here's an article setting out "Six Theories On When The U.S./U.K. Travel Ban Will Be Lifted".

It seems to cover most options.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexled...on-lifting-ban
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Originally Posted by golfmad View Post
Here's an article setting out "Six Theories On When The U.S./U.K. Travel Ban Will Be Lifted".

It seems to cover most options.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexled...on-lifting-ban
Theory 6, all bans lifted together, "when Brazil and India’s residents are sufficiently vaccinated..."
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