Sep 15, 2021, 1:47 pm
Last edit by: NewbieRunner
New thread for discussing 1-day test requirements for travellers arriving in the US by air
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
- AstraZeneca
- BIBP/Sinopharm
- Covishield
- Janssen/J&J
- Moderna
- Pfizer-BioNTech
- Sinovac
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)
Jun 5, 2021, 7:32 pm
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Airlines press U.S. on refusal to lift COVID-19 travel restrictions
If there were good any journalists left, they would have followed up by asking what that "guidance" supposedly is? What are the criteria that their health and medical experts are using to determine when to recommend that the bans can be lifted or modified? At least then everyone will know how to gauge what's happening and when things might change.
Major airlines are pressing the United States government on its decision not to move quickly to relax COVID-19 restrictions that block travelers who have been in much of Europe and elsewhere even as other countries began to ease prohibitions.
On Monday, the heads of several major airlines as well as the chief executives of Heathrow Airport and industry group the U.S. Travel Association will hold a virtual news conference to push for removal of travel restrictions between the United States and the United Kingdom. On hand will be the CEOs of American Airlines (AAL.O), IAG (ICAG.L) unit British Airways, Delta Air Lines (DAL.N), United Airlines (UAL.O) and JetBlue Airways Corp (JBLU.O).
On Monday, the heads of several major airlines as well as the chief executives of Heathrow Airport and industry group the U.S. Travel Association will hold a virtual news conference to push for removal of travel restrictions between the United States and the United Kingdom. On hand will be the CEOs of American Airlines (AAL.O), IAG (ICAG.L) unit British Airways, Delta Air Lines (DAL.N), United Airlines (UAL.O) and JetBlue Airways Corp (JBLU.O).
"We certainly understand the desire of many Europeans to come to travel the United States and vice versa," White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki said May 21. "We can't respond to public pressure or even emotion. We have to rely on the guidance of our health and medical experts."
Jun 5, 2021, 8:13 pm
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With more and more of Europe opening up to vaccinated Americans this summer — Denmark now too — it’s only a matter of when this month or next that the US decides to reciprocate opening to vaccinated travelers from hitherto restricted European countries when having proof of vaccination with at least a US-authorized vaccination. Maybe even an EMA-authorized vaccination will be tossed into the language just to cover the AZ vaccines.
Let’s see how expensive regular paid tickets in economy class become for TATL travel for the next few months.
Let’s see how expensive regular paid tickets in economy class become for TATL travel for the next few months.
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Jun 6, 2021, 2:25 am
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"We can't respond to public pressure or even emotion. We have to rely on the guidance of our health and medical experts."
One of the most dumb statements for a government, you are there to serve the public, these policies need to take that into account. Take that with the "leaks" from Fauci, then this becomes even more of a smokescreen. Treating this on one hand like you get it and you die, to the other hand where they are allowing billions of people access to the country just not a select part of the world just doesn't make sense. It can't be both ways.
One of the most dumb statements for a government, you are there to serve the public, these policies need to take that into account. Take that with the "leaks" from Fauci, then this becomes even more of a smokescreen. Treating this on one hand like you get it and you die, to the other hand where they are allowing billions of people access to the country just not a select part of the world just doesn't make sense. It can't be both ways.
Jun 6, 2021, 2:38 am
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Ps I thought that European institutions were the most ridiculous and least credible. Compared to the American ones they seem giants, at the moment
Jun 6, 2021, 3:46 am
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On Wednesday, the US President has publicly confirmed he is to fly to Europe then. The UK being the first publicly scheduled visit on this trip (for the G-7 meeting), then Brussels and then Geneva.
Part of the economic recovery from the pandemic hit involves opening up further to increased socio-economic activity across borders, and economic recovery from the pandemic is on the G7 agenda in the UK.
Part of the economic recovery from the pandemic hit involves opening up further to increased socio-economic activity across borders, and economic recovery from the pandemic is on the G7 agenda in the UK.
Jun 6, 2021, 6:06 am
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Is it just me that finds it hilarious how the U.K. and US entry restrictions are increasingly the exact opposite of each other? The U.K. has a list of 50 countries on the ‘red list’ where non U.K. residents aren’t allowed entry and China plus Schengen are part of the increasingly small list allowed entry. Meanwhile, Schengen and China are blocked from the US but those traveling from almost all of the highest risk destinations according to the U.K. are fine to enter the US. It’s like a satire of how governments work but sadly they are real rules.
Jun 6, 2021, 6:28 am
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Each country has its own concerns and different circumstances with regard to the infection scene at home, the infection scene abroad, and different population dynamics that relate to cross border travel. So of course there are countries that take approaches that seem very different from each other. Living with complexity is part and parcel of the human condition.
Jun 6, 2021, 6:40 am
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Is it just me that finds it hilarious how the U.K. and US entry restrictions are increasingly the exact opposite of each other? The U.K. has a list of 50 countries on the ‘red list’ where non U.K. residents aren’t allowed entry and China plus Schengen are part of the increasingly small list allowed entry. Meanwhile, Schengen and China are blocked from the US but those traveling from almost all of the highest risk destinations according to the U.K. are fine to enter the US. It’s like a satire of how governments work but sadly they are real rules.
Jun 6, 2021, 6:40 am
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Each country has its own concerns and different circumstances with regard to the infection scene at home, the infection scene abroad, and different population dynamics that relate to cross border travel. So of course there are countries that take approaches that seem very different from each other. Living with complexity is part and parcel of the human condition.
Jun 6, 2021, 7:18 am
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That which seems incomprehensible may be just the product of complications that aren’t all laid out in public on a simple buffet table with clearly labeled dishes set up by one person. There is a sort of messy smorgasbord that comes from collaborative dynamics, but neither the processes nor the outcomes are incomprehensible. They are just different based on the specific baggage that is applicable at a time.
Jun 6, 2021, 7:48 am
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The UK's only goal at the moment and is to reopen and with new variants, they need to be careful as vaccinations ramp up. Once most people have received two doses, I'm sure they'll be more flexible with their entry requirements. Same for the US. Just be patient. By the end of the summer, the world should be in a better place.
Jun 6, 2021, 8:29 am
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Not sure this the best place to post this but does anyone know exactly how the U.S. counts 14 days? i.e. if one departs Europe on the morning of June 1 and flies to (for example) Mexico. Are they able to enter the U.S. already by June 15 (assuming they otherwise meet the entry requirements)? I have not found anywhere the exact text of how this computes . . . .
Jun 6, 2021, 8:33 am
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Not sure this the best place to post this but does anyone know exactly how the U.S. counts 14 days? i.e. if one departs Europe on the morning of June 1 and flies to (for example) Mexico. Are they able to enter the U.S. already by June 15 (assuming they otherwise meet the entry requirements)? I have not found anywhere the exact text of how this computes . . . .
Jun 6, 2021, 8:36 am
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