Sep 15, 2021, 1:47 pm
Last edit by: NewbieRunner
New thread for discussing 1-day test requirements for travellers arriving in the US by air
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
- AstraZeneca
- BIBP/Sinopharm
- Covishield
- Janssen/J&J
- Moderna
- Pfizer-BioNTech
- Sinovac
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)
Jun 3, 2021, 12:17 pm
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You could change to "Things are getting better and better but nobody opens up to anyone"
Jun 3, 2021, 12:23 pm
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As the Republic of Ireland is part of the CTA and the land border to the UK is open -> such an opening must coincide with an opening by the UK, as well.
Jun 3, 2021, 12:42 pm
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Jun 3, 2021, 12:45 pm
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Jun 3, 2021, 12:50 pm
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Not really no. There are plenty of instances where entry restrictions to the UK (or post entry tests and self isolation requirements) have differed from Ireland so it really would not be correct to say they must coincide now.
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Jun 3, 2021, 12:54 pm
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"Passengers with valid proof of vaccination from outside the bloc can also travel freely, so long as the countries they are arriving from are not deemed to be at high risk of spreading COVID-19 variants
The above statement applies to me I assume.
Jun 3, 2021, 2:32 pm
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If they really wanted to, they could just require every incoming traveler to be vaccinated.
Jun 3, 2021, 2:50 pm
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Personally, I'm as disappointed in Biden by now as I was in Trump. 6 Months down the road and nothing has changed in terms of international relations.
It's frustrating, especially given that the EU is opening, but yea nothing to do about it.
It's frustrating, especially given that the EU is opening, but yea nothing to do about it.
Jun 3, 2021, 3:10 pm
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Agree, at least Trump lifted the ban with testing..now totally zero, with very low cases rates and more than half population vaccinated. Very disrespectful even for people who pay taxes in US and own properties or business.
Jun 3, 2021, 3:18 pm
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The electronic vaccination system in Greece holds all the data from the vaccination centers, and it updates automatically. For example, the minute you receive each vaccination dose, you can log in to the system and see the updates. You do not receive any paperwork, it all updates and stores in the national database automatically from the vaccination center. (I assume the vaccinators log in and mark vaccine administered after each dose). It is all very well organized and run. All the vaccination personnel is medical staff employed in the public sector (government employees, basically), and there are 2-3 present in each vaccination.
Ireland is already fully open to Americans. Its been open to vaccinated Americans for over a month, and to non-vaccinated Americans since the US was removed from the Mandatory Hotel Quarantine list on May 28th. The July 19th date is only when Ireland fully implements the EU travel certificate program.
https://ie.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/
The arrival "quarantine" that exists at present is merely an at home one, and is entirely unenforced. Its essentially optional for all intents and purposes. The same applies to the covid test on day 5 too - there is no obligation to book this, or even do it - unlike for example the PCR testing requirements for entering the UK at present.
This is incorrect. Ireland and the UK have maintained completely different border rules throughout corona - restrictions, countries on "red lists" for mandatory hotel quarantine etc. The two governments have at no point coordinated measures, much to the chagrin of a lot of people concerned.
Jun 3, 2021, 3:25 pm
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It wouldn’t be so bad if the US reopened its border to those who are fully vaccinated however they’re not even doing that... everyone (16+) is now eligible to take the vaccine and some states have declare the pandemic as over - what more will it take for Biden to change his mind?
Jun 3, 2021, 3:28 pm
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I do think that at the very least people with working visas (i.e. not tourists) should be exempt in the way that permanent residents are. Full disclosure: that would include me. I'm British but I live in the US, work here, pay tax here. The argument against relaxing restrictions for people like me, I guess, is that the virus doesn't care about your immigration status and reducing the number of people entering the country from abroad is the priority. But I suspect that the number of people on working visas is lower than the number of potential tourists, and allowing holders of nonimmigrant visas to enter the US from the UK/Europe is unlikely to increase passenger numbers that much. Flights are coming and going anyway, even if they're mainly full of citizens and permanent residents.
Probably nothing that hasn't been raised before on this thread, but useful to vent sometimes!
I'm also fully vaccinated, but appreciate that a decision to only allow vaccinated travellers into the US would still probably be a political issue, spun by the right as a sign of things to come, or something like that.
Jun 3, 2021, 3:28 pm
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Interesting, thanks. I wonder how the system would cope with a Greek person who got vaccinated in another country, though. How exactly the verification would work in that case... A lot of people are getting vaccinated in countries other than their 'home' nationality these days, its surely a problem thats going to face these systems very soon, and in reasonable numbers.
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Jun 3, 2021, 3:31 pm
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Trump lifted the ban right at the end of his presidency, no doubt just to cause an additional (albeit minor) headache for the new administration.
I do think that at the very least people with working visas (i.e. not tourists) should be exempt in the way that permanent residents are. Full disclosure: that would include me. I'm British but I live in the US, work here, pay tax here. The argument against relaxing restrictions for people like me, I guess, is that the virus doesn't care about your immigration status and reducing the number of people entering the country from abroad is the priority. But I suspect that the number of people on working visas is lower than the number of potential tourists, and allowing holders of nonimmigrant visas to enter the US from the UK/Europe is unlikely to increase passenger numbers that much. Flights are coming and going anyway, even if they're mainly full of citizens and permanent residents.
Probably nothing that hasn't been raised before on this thread, but useful to vent sometimes!
I'm also fully vaccinated, but appreciate that a decision to only allow vaccinated travellers into the US would still probably be a political issue, spun by the right as a sign of things to come, or something like that.
I do think that at the very least people with working visas (i.e. not tourists) should be exempt in the way that permanent residents are. Full disclosure: that would include me. I'm British but I live in the US, work here, pay tax here. The argument against relaxing restrictions for people like me, I guess, is that the virus doesn't care about your immigration status and reducing the number of people entering the country from abroad is the priority. But I suspect that the number of people on working visas is lower than the number of potential tourists, and allowing holders of nonimmigrant visas to enter the US from the UK/Europe is unlikely to increase passenger numbers that much. Flights are coming and going anyway, even if they're mainly full of citizens and permanent residents.
Probably nothing that hasn't been raised before on this thread, but useful to vent sometimes!
I'm also fully vaccinated, but appreciate that a decision to only allow vaccinated travellers into the US would still probably be a political issue, spun by the right as a sign of things to come, or something like that.
Jun 3, 2021, 3:50 pm
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