US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)
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I'm much happier with a US policy driven by scientists and d
ctors -- however overcautious and restrained their approach -- than the way US policy was driven by TFG, based on optics and the need to place blame elsewhere.

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I also don't get all the drama in this thread. I am an American and I think our policy is stupid but I have had to cancel multiple trips to Asia over the last 18 months (most recently Japan later this month) because I couldn't enter the country but they could enter our country. Seems "unfair" to me but I didn't take it personally and I didn't get mad, life goes on. I will say all my trips so far for the remainder of 2021 and all of 2022 are to countries that have generally been more open to being open. This isn't an emotional decision but a business one as at this point I'll focus trips that are more likely to happen. Same will apply to 2023 because sadly I think there will be knock on effects even into that year. I am scheduled to go to Greece in September if they tell me to pound sand oh well. First world problems and all that.
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White House will not lift any restrictions NOW
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Furthermore, as the number of people vaccinated increases, it follows that the number of vaccinated people who get covid will increase as well, since no vaccine is 100% effective. If you get the flu shot, there's a chance you'll still get the flu. The vaccine isn't supposed to stop you from getting covid as much as it's supposed to stop you from getting seriously ill and dying from covid. The public messaging, however, has been abysmal on this point, and now too many people think that if you get the vaccine it means you don't get covid.
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Dunno about emotional, dramatic, bitter and personal, but it's actually starting to sound a bit patronising in this thread.
I think a lot of those comments were aimed at me. I have to say that I don't feel remotely emotional or bitter about this.
Having said that, all of my travel is about my emotions as I have no actual need to travel anywhere; I do it simply to make my already contented life even happier. I only bother travelling to the places that tug on my heart, and I'm afraid that the USA no longer tugs on my heart in the way that it used to. You can tell me that I oughtn't feel that way until your face turns blue, but the truth is that I do feel that way.
I think a lot of those comments were aimed at me. I have to say that I don't feel remotely emotional or bitter about this.
Having said that, all of my travel is about my emotions as I have no actual need to travel anywhere; I do it simply to make my already contented life even happier. I only bother travelling to the places that tug on my heart, and I'm afraid that the USA no longer tugs on my heart in the way that it used to. You can tell me that I oughtn't feel that way until your face turns blue, but the truth is that I do feel that way.
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Everyone has its own opinion based on its own experience.
For me things are unfortunately very simple and probably some other people in this thread share the same situation :
I own a property in the US, pay taxes, but since I am a not a full time resident (no green card) and I am not American, I just can go to my home.
If things were complicated in 2020 and closing the country was probably a good choice, one and a half year ago later , all scientific and political arguments are just void.
I am fully vaccinated, and where I live there are a lot of Americans coming for the holidays, and the only way I can get to the US is spending 14 days abroad, which is totally nonsense. I work and I just can't take 3 weeks off and I don't fall under a NIE category !!!
This is why this travel ban is not about simple tourism but it includes some categories that are really affected by the Trump and then Biden decisions.
I cannot even imagine people stranded because of family separation or more personal reasons.
For me things are unfortunately very simple and probably some other people in this thread share the same situation :
I own a property in the US, pay taxes, but since I am a not a full time resident (no green card) and I am not American, I just can go to my home.
If things were complicated in 2020 and closing the country was probably a good choice, one and a half year ago later , all scientific and political arguments are just void.
I am fully vaccinated, and where I live there are a lot of Americans coming for the holidays, and the only way I can get to the US is spending 14 days abroad, which is totally nonsense. I work and I just can't take 3 weeks off and I don't fall under a NIE category !!!
This is why this travel ban is not about simple tourism but it includes some categories that are really affected by the Trump and then Biden decisions.
I cannot even imagine people stranded because of family separation or more personal reasons.
Last edited by axelcaroli; Aug 6, 21 at 3:31 am
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Source: https://aviationweek.com/air-transpo...8d6e6172c6f2dc
Lufthansa Expects U.S. To Reopen International Travel In September
FRANKFURT—Lufthansa Group CEO Carsten Spohr now expects the U.S. to reopen air travel for fully vaccinated international passengers by the end of September, a step that could be a key milestone in the airline’s recovery.
Spohr’s forecast came after the Biden administration said it is working on a stepped approach to allow foreign travelers back into the U.S., starting with those that are fully vaccinated against COVID-19. While Lufthansa has no further information on timing, the group is working on the assumption that it will be able to accept bookings for its U.S. flights from non-U.S. citizens or residents at the end of the third quarter. The Lufthansa CEO hopes the actual reopening could even come weeks sooner.
too late for me, but at least some dates to focus on...hope and see
Lufthansa Expects U.S. To Reopen International Travel In September
FRANKFURT—Lufthansa Group CEO Carsten Spohr now expects the U.S. to reopen air travel for fully vaccinated international passengers by the end of September, a step that could be a key milestone in the airline’s recovery.
Spohr’s forecast came after the Biden administration said it is working on a stepped approach to allow foreign travelers back into the U.S., starting with those that are fully vaccinated against COVID-19. While Lufthansa has no further information on timing, the group is working on the assumption that it will be able to accept bookings for its U.S. flights from non-U.S. citizens or residents at the end of the third quarter. The Lufthansa CEO hopes the actual reopening could even come weeks sooner.
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Source: https://aviationweek.com/air-transpo...8d6e6172c6f2dc
too late for me, but at least some dates to focus on...hope and see
too late for me, but at least some dates to focus on...hope and see
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US has been open to many countries with seriously high cases / terrible testing / problematic variants, and closed to countries where COVID is well under control / at significantly lower rates than it is in the US.
If the policies looked like they were based on any sort of data I imagine a lot fewer people would have issues with them. Not least because you'd probably be able to work out when they were going to re-open to certain countries. Something like the "EU’s List of Epidemiologically Safe Countries" system: https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/eu-...amid-covid-19/ and the EDC recommendations...
- Green countries are considered those in which the infection rate is less than 50 and test positivity is less than four per cent or if the infection rate is less than 75 and the test positivity rate is less than one per cent
- Orange countries are considered those that report less than 50 positive cases and test positivity is four per cent or more; if the infection rates are between 50 to 75 and test positivity is one per cent or more, or if the positive cases are between 75 to 200 and test positivity is less than four per cent
- Red countries are those with 75 to 200 positive cases and test positivity of four per cent or more; or, if the infection rates are more than 200 but less than 500
- Dark red countries are considered those with more than 500 positive cases
- Grey countries are considered those with a testing rate lower than 300 cases per 100,000 inhabitants, or there isn’t available data for the country to be categorised
Anyway, I've just moved my August flights to November... though I have zero confidence that the US will be using any sort of sensible system by then either (it's just the next period I can make the trip work).
Last edited by RG1X; Aug 6, 21 at 7:32 am
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US considers easing travel restrictions for vaccinated people
https://www.mccourier.com/us-conside...le-free-press/
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"Vague hopes of future travel to the US for Europeans"
US considers easing travel restrictions for vaccinated people
https://www.mccourier.com/us-conside...le-free-press/
US considers easing travel restrictions for vaccinated people
https://www.mccourier.com/us-conside...le-free-press/
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I take your point but I think that would be peanuts compared to the cost of a couple of weeks in the Caribbean which we’ve just arranged as the only way of getting to our son, daughter-in-law and two granddaughters in New York after two years of FaceTime only.
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Oh, of course. My point was that vaccinated people having to provide a pre-departure negative test is a bit annoying but not really worth getting worked up about if it's part of a way to re-open travel. Certainly compared to spending two weeks in a third country it's a negligible outlay.
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