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US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)

US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)

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New thread for discussing 1-day test requirements for travellers arriving in the US by air
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coro...departure.html

Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021

Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...-disease-2019/

Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.

3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.

Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
  • AstraZeneca
  • BIBP/Sinopharm
  • Covishield
  • Janssen/J&J
  • Moderna
  • Pfizer-BioNTech
  • Sinovac
Vaccination certificates must come from an official source
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases

Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021

As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDCs website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.

COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021

The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).

To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).

What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.

- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates

- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.

- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.

- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.

- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.

Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.

CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html


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Old Jul 28, 21, 3:04 pm
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It’ll be interesting to see how mandatory vaccine passports fair in the US, if they can push it through at home it’s a safe bet that we will all have to have vaccines passports to fly as mentioned above


The US, supposedly the land of the free will have to justify taking away any perceived freedoms and the US being the land of litigation lawyers, justifying taking those freedoms will be challenged in court.

This is worth reading and gives the opinion of an appeals court judge in Portugal which I thought was relative to the US due to discussing constitutional implications of such a move.

https://www.portugalresident.com/lis...ary-apartheid/

I don’t want to be seen going off topic at all and believe this is relative to this thread as any introduction of vaccine passports for flying will obviously have huge implications for us all wishing to restart traveling.
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Itll be interesting to see how mandatory vaccine passports fair in the US, if they can push it through at home its a safe bet that we will all have to have vaccines passports to fly as mentioned above


The US, supposedly the land of the free will have to justify taking away any perceived freedoms and the US being the land of litigation lawyers, justifying taking those freedoms will be challenged in court.

This is worth reading and gives the opinion of an appeals court judge in Portugal which I thought was relative to the US due to discussing constitutional implications of such a move.

https://www.portugalresident.com/lis...ary-apartheid/

I dont want to be seen going off topic at all and believe this is relative to this thread as any introduction of vaccine passports for flying will obviously have huge implications for us all wishing to restart traveling.
You're already seeing employers start to require employees to be vaccinated. This is, apparently, legal in most cases. Biden wants to require the same for federal employees. That's probably legal, but he may not be able to do that politically.

Some people are talking about private business/venues requiring customers to prove vaccination status, but I'd be surprised if that takes hold to a significant degree.

Regarding the Portugese judge's comments, no American court is going to give that more than passing notice.
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Old Jul 28, 21, 5:00 pm
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Originally Posted by LETTERBOY View Post
You're already seeing employers start to require employees to be vaccinated. This is, apparently, legal in most cases. Biden wants to require the same for federal employees. That's probably legal, but he may not be able to do that politically.

Some people are talking about private business/venues requiring customers to prove vaccination status, but I'd be surprised if that takes hold to a significant degree.


Regarding the Portugese judge's comments, no American court is going to give that more than passing notice.

I posted the judges comments because they will probably reflect other judge’s opinions on the rule of law, freedoms and government overreach and who in all probability will come to the same conclusions and ultimately rule against the government, nothing to do with an American court listening to a Portuguese judge.

CNN are already saying that Biden may mandate some federal employees must have vaccines as early as tomorrow, so we may soon find out.

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Old Jul 28, 21, 5:36 pm
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I posted the judges comments because they will probably reflect other judges opinions on the rule of law, freedoms and government overreach and who in all probability will come to the same conclusions and ultimately rule against the government, nothing to do with an American court listening to a Portuguese judge.
I suppose it depends on which judge a given case gets. If it's a Trump or GW Bush appointed judge, they may come to a similar conclusion. OTOH, if it's an Obama or Clinton judge, it may be the opposite.
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Old Jul 28, 21, 5:39 pm
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This is worth reading and gives the opinion of an appeals court judge in Portugal which I thought was relative to the US due to discussing constitutional implications of such a move.
She literally equates having to have a covid test to eat in a restaurant with one of the West's most pernicious systems of race-based discrimination of the post-World War II period (Apartheid in South Africa. And no, it's not just a passing reference or a turn of phrase).

What's her name? Judge Donalda Trumpero?
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Old Jul 28, 21, 10:09 pm
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I hope that was sarcasm......
He means that delta is coming from the US to UK/EU. So US administration keeping the ban is protecting UK/EU from the delta.
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Old Jul 29, 21, 1:36 am
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Itll be interesting to see how mandatory vaccine passports fair in the US
There wont be any vaccine passports in the US. The CDC paper card suffices and bar one state all paper cards are verifiable digitally on a state-to-state basis. Its not hard to develop technology that can access data stored on physical servers housed in each state with citizens per-request consent.
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Asked by the BBC this morning whether the US will reciprocate, the Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said: Weve had conversations and the Presidents raised it with the Prime Minister, so they clearly would like to proceed. Well work out how we can do that as soon as possible.

So positive noises, but still nothing concrete.
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It occurred to me that the recent display of the US administration’s unwillingness to lift the restrictions of not letting the EU into the US is tighthy connected to the also recent CDC reversal of domestic mask wearing for the vaccinated only. Subsequently, it’s no surprise that the former’s impatience tipping point of US businesses and individuals and the latter’s likewise impatience tipping point of vaccinated residents are coming together at a boil. Mandates are coming.

U.S. will not lift travel restrictions, citing Delta variant, White House says
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...al-2021-07-26/

“Many public health experts had lamented the May guidance to relax masking in public places, worried that without verifying who is vaccinated, the change in approach would allow unvaccinated Americans to eschew masks—and place others at risk for new, emerging variants.”

Here's why the CDC reversed course on masks indoors—and how it might affect you
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...ght-affect-you

“People in those nations and a hundred others are desperate to be vaccinated, while here in the world’s richest country we have more vaccine doses than we know what to do with, and we’re terribly worried about not hurting the delicate feelings of those who insist on putting everyone else at risk.”

Opinion: I’m tired of being nice to vaccine refusers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...cine-refusers/
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Old Jul 29, 21, 9:47 am
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I share this not to take us OT but as another example of the US government's disjointed approach. Fully vaccinated and tested people from UK, EU, etc with good COVID situations can't enter but yet there is this report...

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/07/28/...s-whataburger/

The La Joya Police Department issued a public health announcement after an officer approached an undocumented migrant family at Whataburger who told him Border Patrol released them because they had COVID-19.--
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In addition to telling the officer that Border Patrol had released them days prior due to their coronavirus status, the family said a charity group had paid for their room at the nearby Texas Inn Hotel. The officer followed up on that information, finding out that Catholic Charities of The Rio Grande Valley had booked all the rooms in the hotel to house undocumented immigrants detained by Border Patrol. He saw a group of 20 to 30 people staying at the hotel who were “out and about.” Most of them weren’t wearing masks, according to the officer.

Police said they learned that Border Patrol was quarantining other undocumented individuals who were COVID positive, or showed symptoms of illness, then handing them over to the non-profit. Catholic Charities would in turn place the undocumented individuals in hotels in the McAllen area as well as La Joya.
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Old Jul 29, 21, 10:09 am
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Originally Posted by 84fiero View Post
I share this not to take us OT but as another example of the US government's disjointed approach. Fully vaccinated and tested people from UK, EU, etc with good COVID situations can't enter but yet there is this report...

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/07/28/...s-whataburger/
One rule for the law-abiding, another (more favourable) for the rest.

But back on topic, given that the US is lagging the UK and the EU in vaccination and in Delta, I simply cannot see how Biden, one of the most overtly risk-averse Presidents ever, being prepared to move in the next few months.
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Old Jul 29, 21, 6:30 pm
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Asked by the BBC this morning whether the US will reciprocate, the Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said: Weve had conversations and the Presidents raised it with the Prime Minister, so they clearly would like to proceed. Well work out how we can do that as soon as possible.

So positive noises, but still nothing concrete.
He was also on GMB, I rarely watch but you can get it on YouTube or catch up. He mentioned that Biden and Boris spoke at the G7 and we need to move forward or being optimistic about reopening.

So on that, we are definitely not further forward nor is there positive noises. Its old noises.
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He was also on GMB, I rarely watch but you can get it on YouTube or catch up. He mentioned that Biden and Boris spoke at the G7 and we need to move forward or being optimistic about reopening.

So on that, we are definitely not further forward nor is there positive noises. Its old noises.
I would read this as the UK Government having found Biden willing to move, but his officials being reluctant. Their remarks seem to be designed to try to give him some backbone.
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Given the US is again pushing for mask use to increase, given the US sees cases in some places being at or near pandemic highs, and given what the Delta variant is doing in the country and abroad, I would be surprised if there is a change of course before at least September (if even then).

That said, there has already been some easing up of restrictions on travel from Europe. For example: NIEs no longer need to be single-use; some NIEs are de facto automatic.
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There wont be any vaccine passports in the US. The CDC paper card suffices and bar one state all paper cards are verifiable digitally on a state-to-state basis. Its not hard to develop technology that can access data stored on physical servers housed in each state with citizens per-request consent.
Can you elaborate on what do you mean by verifiable digitally on a state-to-state basis and which state is not included in that?
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