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US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)

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Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021

Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...-disease-2019/

Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.

3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.

Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
  • AstraZeneca
  • BIBP/Sinopharm
  • Covishield
  • Janssen/J&J
  • Moderna
  • Pfizer-BioNTech
  • Sinovac
Vaccination certificates must come from an official source
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases

Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021

As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDCs website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.

COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021

The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).

To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).

What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.

- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates

- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.

- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.

- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.

- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.

Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.

CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html


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Old Jul 26, 21, 4:58 am
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Originally Posted by LondonElite View Post
There is no chance the US will be open by 9 September.
I presume this is your opinion as opposed to you having a direct line to the Whitehouse .

With Biden's promise of news, Fauci's clearly more open stance, and the early indications of the 'Delta Surge' being short and sharp in the UK/Europe, I would say that indications are more positive than they have been for some time, and that an opening in the early part of September (to nicely coincide with the end of the peak summer travel period) looks more and more likely, logical and sensible. Just my opinion, mind. And nothing to do with me having an important trip at the end of that month.
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Old Jul 26, 21, 5:46 am
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Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle View Post
I presume this is your opinion as opposed to you having a direct line to the Whitehouse .

With Biden's promise of news, Fauci's clearly more open stance, and the early indications of the 'Delta Surge' being short and sharp in the UK/Europe, I would say that indications are more positive than they have been for some time, and that an opening in the early part of September (to nicely coincide with the end of the peak summer travel period) looks more and more likely, logical and sensible. Just my opinion, mind. And nothing to do with me having an important trip at the end of that month.
Actually its the opinion of a number of senior US diplomats I had dinner with on Saturday night.
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Old Jul 26, 21, 6:04 am
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Originally Posted by LondonElite View Post
Actually it’s the opinion of a number of senior US diplomats I had dinner with on Saturday night.
Asked by News At Ten Presenter Tom Bradby if by this September, people could expect to travel more freely between the two countries again, Dr Anthony Fauci said he believed this was "a reasonably good prediction".

EDIT // Sorry I checked the date of this statement after I posted here. It is from mid June...

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Old Jul 26, 21, 6:57 am
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Originally Posted by LondonElite View Post
Actually its the opinion of a number of senior US diplomats I had dinner with on Saturday night.
Unfortunately I got the same information from a top executive at US Amcham EuropeThey are very concerned about the commercial repercussions and the lack of visibility. Since the issue is no longer health but political, European repercussions are expected.
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Old Jul 26, 21, 7:11 am
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I am flying the 9th september to DFW (returning late nov from eastcoast to UK). I have to be there so can't cancel. I just called BA and asked what the price would be if i change to Mexico city (for the 23rd august) and it was a 1750 extra (...). That plus 2 weeks of hotel in Mexico. What would y'all suggest? Just re-book or wait it out 1/2 more weeks hoping for news the USA opens before september 9 if you were in my position? Money isn't the biggest deal to me but not that overly excited of spending 2 weeks holiday in Mexico even tho it's beautiful there i'm sure. If arriving from Mexico do you get scolded more by immigration when entering the USA if you are saying you are coming for tourism? As in: why did you go 2 weeks to mexico to 'avoid' the travel ban from Europe etc.? Been to secondary twice in past and still slightly traumatised by it (it was just because i was travelling for 88/89 days to USA on those trips).
The US has shown that they are in no rush to remove the ban, and that removing the ban is not a priority of theirs.

I would not waste money. 1750 is a lot of money to rebook a flight, I would book another flight to Mexico and leave this one waiting to see. But I would say there is a 95%+ chance that we will be in the same position in six months time.

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Old Jul 26, 21, 7:15 am
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EXCLUSIVE U.S. will not lift travel restrictions, citing Delta variant -official | Reuters


WASHINGTON, July 26 (Reuters) - The United States will not lift any existing travel restrictions "at this point" due to concerns over the highly transmissible COVID-19 Delta variant and the rising number of U.S. coronavirus cases, a White House official told Reuters.

The decision, which comes after a senior level White House meeting late Friday, means the long-running travel restrictions that have barred much of the world's population from the United States since 2020 will not be lifted in the short term.

"Given where we are today with the Delta variant, the United States will maintain existing travel restrictions at this point," the official told Reuters, citing the spread of the Delta variant in the United States and abroad
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Old Jul 26, 21, 7:15 am
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Well, it seems Americans might be able travel to UK and avoid quarantine if fully vaccinated from 1st of August:

"The UK Government will formally recognise jabs administered overseas from August 1, according to The Telegraph."

This is from the DM, The Telegraph is behind paywall for me and I am unable to find the original article. So not sure if this applies to US travelers.
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Old Jul 26, 21, 7:20 am
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Well, it seems Americans might be able travel to UK and avoid quarantine if fully vaccinated from 1st of August:

"The UK Government will formally recognise jabs administered overseas from August 1, according to The Telegraph."

This is from the DM, The Telegraph is behind paywall for me and I am unable to find the original article. So not sure if this applies to US travelers.
Do you have a link to that article? I believe that quote pertains to UK citizens who have a doctor with access to the NHS record system.
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Old Jul 26, 21, 7:21 am
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Do you have a link to that article? I believe that quote pertains to UK citizens who have a doctor with access to the NHS record system.
Here you go https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sed-month.html

It looks to be only Brits at this stage but they say

It is also thought that quarantine-free travel to the UK for double-jabbed foreign nationals could be opened up 'very soon'
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Old Jul 26, 21, 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by OGG flyer View Post
Well, it seems Americans might be able travel to UK and avoid quarantine if fully vaccinated from 1st of August:

"The UK Government will formally recognise jabs administered overseas from August 1, according to The Telegraph."

This is from the DM, The Telegraph is behind paywall for me and I am unable to find the original article. So not sure if this applies to US travelers.
Double-jabbed British expats could see travel rules eased next month | Daily Mail Online

The Mail article is about BRITS vaccinated overseas, returning home to UK
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Old Jul 26, 21, 7:29 am
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Reuters: U.S. will not lift travel restrictions, citing Delta variant -official

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...al-2021-07-26/

The part in that report that struck me was
Reuters reported last week the White House was discussing the potential of mandating COVID-19 vaccines for international visitors, but no decisions have been made, the sources said
Not sure how that would stand up to legal challenges in the US ?
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Old Jul 26, 21, 7:41 am
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Not sure how that would stand up to legal challenges in the US ?
On what grounds would one challenge a vaccination requirement for non-US citizens/residents?

Requiring vaccinations for inbound foreigners has plenty of precedence.
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Old Jul 26, 21, 7:55 am
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On what grounds would one challenge a vaccination requirement for non-US citizens/residents?

Requiring vaccinations for inbound foreigners has plenty of precedence.
I believe that currently no vaccinations are required to enter US.
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Old Jul 26, 21, 8:06 am
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I believe that currently no vaccinations are required to enter US.
Currently not for VWP and short-term visa visitors, but the list for long-term immigrants is long https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...cinations.html

Adding a COVID19 vax to that list seems inevitable and extending the COVID19 vax requirement to short-term visitors doesn't seem much of a stretch.

And plenty of international examples of vaccine requirements for short-term visitors.
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Old Jul 26, 21, 8:14 am
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Currently not for VWP and short-term visa visitors, but the list for long-term immigrants is long https://travel.state.gov/content/tra...cinations.html

Adding a COVID19 vax to that list seems inevitable and extending the COVID19 vax requirement to short-term visitors doesn't seem much of a stretch.

And plenty of international examples of vaccine requirements for short-term visitors.
I wasn't aware of this. But then there is a political issue for mandatory Covid vaccination, even if this is for foreingers only...
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