Sep 15, 2021, 1:47 pm
Last edit by: NewbieRunner
New thread for discussing 1-day test requirements for travellers arriving in the US by air
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
- AstraZeneca
- BIBP/Sinopharm
- Covishield
- Janssen/J&J
- Moderna
- Pfizer-BioNTech
- Sinovac
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)
Jul 22, 2021, 2:32 pm
#1771
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Since the US government doesn't work for EU citizens, their opinions of US government actions are pretty much irrelevant. They're not the intended audience of the US government.
No they're not. They're not even considering the EU one way or another on this matter. Although, if anyone in the US government reads this thread, they'd probably laugh.
Americans have always been insular about foreign relations. And they always will be.
At the moment, yes.
No one with a brain thinks this is going to continue permanently (although it feels like it).
Jul 22, 2021, 2:34 pm
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EDIT: Beaten to essentially the same post by Letterboy.
Jul 22, 2021, 2:36 pm
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And what would that achieve? Since Americans are indifferent to this particular issue, this would do nothing. If anything, it would give ammo to the international skeptics (or isolationists, if one prefers that term), making it difficult for Biden to engage with the EU on much of anything, given how slim his majorities in Congress are.
Since the US government doesn't work for EU citizens, their opinions of US government actions are pretty much irrelevant. They're not the intended audience of the US government.
No they're not. They're not even considering the EU one way or another on this matter. Although, if anyone in the US government reads this thread, they'd probably laugh.
Americans have always been insular about foreign relations. And they always will be.
At the moment, yes.
No one with a brain thinks this is going to continue permanently (although it feels like it).
Since the US government doesn't work for EU citizens, their opinions of US government actions are pretty much irrelevant. They're not the intended audience of the US government.
No they're not. They're not even considering the EU one way or another on this matter. Although, if anyone in the US government reads this thread, they'd probably laugh.
Americans have always been insular about foreign relations. And they always will be.
At the moment, yes.
No one with a brain thinks this is going to continue permanently (although it feels like it).
Jul 22, 2021, 2:56 pm
#1774
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For folks who want a realistic harbinger of reopening: look for Pfizer getting full FDA approval. Once that happens, a wave of schools, colleges, and employers are going to mandate the vaccine on pain of termination. I'm 100% convinced that the administration won't consider reopening as long as we're facing this wall of anti-vaxxerism.
You don't need all vaccines to be fully approved. Once any single one is approved, then there's no refuge for anti-vaxxers. IE, they can no longer say "I can't get the vaccine because there aren't any with full approval, and you can't make me take a vaccine approved under EUA."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...fizer-vaccine/
You don't need all vaccines to be fully approved. Once any single one is approved, then there's no refuge for anti-vaxxers. IE, they can no longer say "I can't get the vaccine because there aren't any with full approval, and you can't make me take a vaccine approved under EUA."
A Kaiser Family Foundation poll in May found that nearly a third of unvaccinated Americans said they would be more likely to get the shot once it was fully approved. That response dwarfs the portion of unvaccinated people who said they would be swayed by time off work or free incentives.
Other people may get the vaccine because they are required to do so. The U.S. Army has indicated that it will make coronavirus vaccines mandatory starting in September, if they have full FDA approval. And full approval would also make it easier for employers and schools to mandate vaccines.
The lack of full authorization has been a core part of the messaging and litigation strategy of anti-vaccine groups. And while a federal judge upheld at least one large Texas hospital’s mandate for its employees, many employers are cautious about inviting litigation.
Dorit Rubinstein Reiss, a professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law, argues that employers should be able to legally mandate vaccines that are under emergency use authorization, but she admits they’ll have an easier time of it with full approval.
Other people may get the vaccine because they are required to do so. The U.S. Army has indicated that it will make coronavirus vaccines mandatory starting in September, if they have full FDA approval. And full approval would also make it easier for employers and schools to mandate vaccines.
The lack of full authorization has been a core part of the messaging and litigation strategy of anti-vaccine groups. And while a federal judge upheld at least one large Texas hospital’s mandate for its employees, many employers are cautious about inviting litigation.
Dorit Rubinstein Reiss, a professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law, argues that employers should be able to legally mandate vaccines that are under emergency use authorization, but she admits they’ll have an easier time of it with full approval.
Jul 22, 2021, 2:58 pm
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Jul 22, 2021, 3:36 pm
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Federal judge rejects bid to block Indiana University vaccine mandate
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...lawsuit-500117
Federal judge dismisses lawsuit from Houston Methodist employees over COVID-19 vaccine requirement
https://www.khou.com/article/news/lo...3-eba77737b003
EEOC and One Court Say Employers Can Mandate Vaccinations
https://businesswest.com/blog/eeoc-a...-vaccinations/
Jacobson v Massachusetts (1905), establishing the right to require vaccination
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts
Jul 22, 2021, 3:40 pm
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One thing that I haven't seen mentioned on here regarding vaccinatios is that there are already laws implemented last year that hold employers liable for workers' comp for Covid cases (presumption of compensability). That's a pretty big incentive to require your workforce to be vaccinated.
Jul 22, 2021, 4:23 pm
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One thing that I haven't seen mentioned on here regarding vaccinatios is that there are already laws implemented last year that hold employers liable for workers' comp for Covid cases (presumption of compensability). That's a pretty big incentive to require your workforce to be vaccinated.
Jul 22, 2021, 4:50 pm
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There is no way around. At this point of the year and with this delta variant raising up everywhere and with the vaccination rate in the EU/USA I think the chances of US re-opening their borders this year are very much close to zero. I personally will wait when the transit through LHR will be possible and then I will book the first available flight to Canada after 7th September :/ It is nowhere near close to the experience in Miami/LA but what options do I have....
Jul 22, 2021, 5:29 pm
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There is no way around. At this point of the year and with this delta variant raising up everywhere and with the vaccination rate in the EU/USA I think the chances of US re-opening their borders this year are very much close to zero. I personally will wait when the transit through LHR will be possible and then I will book the first available flight to Canada after 7th September :/ It is nowhere near close to the experience in Miami/LA but what options do I have....
Jul 22, 2021, 7:11 pm
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They are still waiting an answer from Biden…very disrespectful treating like sxit who bring lot of money into your country…
Jul 22, 2021, 7:22 pm
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Exactly what i was thinking all the time. Merkel herself (probably) could not care less if US lift the ban or not. But the pressure from the Germany companies towards her must be just enourmous. And even when she confronts Biden with this straightforward question and she gets a straightforward answer (“I will give you more specific information about opening in the following *days*) after almost a week we are back at the start line. Biden says nothing about it, the female admin. representative says Biden meant it completely different thqn he said it. Absolute joke
Jul 22, 2021, 9:54 pm
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Case rates are going up.
Over 60k today. 100k maybe in a week or two.
200k in a month?
Jul 22, 2021, 10:01 pm
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Jul 22, 2021, 10:18 pm
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