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US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)

Old Sep 15, 21, 1:47 pm
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Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021

Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/

Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.

3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.

Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
  • AstraZeneca
  • BIBP/Sinopharm
  • Covishield
  • Janssen/J&J
  • Moderna
  • Pfizer-BioNTech
  • Sinovac
Vaccination certificates must come from an official source
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases

Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021

As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDCís website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.

COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021

The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).

To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).

What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.

- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates

- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.

- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.

- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.

- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.

Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.

CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html


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US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)

Old Jul 19, 21, 12:20 pm
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What part of the below looks like "party time" to you?
What I can't understand is if the UK has so many % of people jabbed (once OR twice) why is the new case rate so high? The unvaccinated roughly account for how much of the 55 million total people?

I'm having a hard time understanding this. The December peak is only slightly higher than than the peak now per your graph but back in December no one was vaccinated.
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Old Jul 19, 21, 12:25 pm
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What part of the below looks like "party time" to you?
This is not relevant to double vaccinated individuals. The other thing, is has the United States been testing at the same rate per capita?
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Old Jul 19, 21, 12:26 pm
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Originally Posted by enviroian View Post
What I can't understand is if the UK has so many % of people jabbed (once OR twice) why is the new case rate so high? The unvaccinated roughly account for how much of the 55 million total people?

I'm having a hard time understanding this. The December peak is only slightly higher than than the peak now per your graph but back in December no one was vaccinated.
21 million have not been vaccinated at all.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations


The U.K. is currently testing 1.1-1.2 million a day, in January it was 400k-600k per day.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
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Old Jul 19, 21, 12:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Owenc View Post
The U.K. is currently testing 1.1-1.2 million a day, in January it was 400k-600k per day.
That argument has a poor provenance.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...very-few-cases
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Old Jul 19, 21, 12:43 pm
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Originally Posted by oceanscape View Post
Do you want to show the equivalent graph for hospitalisations? the only measure that should matter? The UK is conducting over ONE MILLION tests per day, more than the entire rest of Europe combined. No point at looking at number of cases; % positive is a better measure that can be compared between countries.
Hospitalizations have tripled in three weeks. They're at approximately 15% of the January peak, but the trend is higher, not lower.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...vid-admissions
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Old Jul 19, 21, 12:43 pm
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The first is to erect a mirror travel ban on the US. The second option discussed is to no longer collaborate on tables that are essential for the US, that is, relations with China and Russia. This would isolate Biden's US as Trump's. In any case it will be a mess.
The first option would be a waste of time, and would probably do nothing more than give a few people in the States a good laugh. Americans (both the people and the government) simply do not care about this issue to the extent that Europe does. The second option, OTOH, would probably work eventually (if Europe stuck it out & wasn't just bluffing).

Originally Posted by Owenc View Post
America isnít the big boy it once was. They need reliable and loyal allies.
The US is the most powerful country in the world by any measure. Maybe not as powerful as they were a a couple of decades ago, but still far more powerful than Europe. And Europe needs America just as much as America needs Europe, if not more so.

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Any policymaker who makes decisions based on emotions ought to be thrown out on his ear. The only sound basis for policy is: the national interest.
This x1000.
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Old Jul 19, 21, 12:44 pm
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Iím not sure what your point is? The U.K. is currently testing almost 2/3 more than the USA per 1M people.
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Old Jul 19, 21, 12:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Owenc View Post
This is not relevant to double vaccinated individuals. The other thing, is has the United States been testing at the same rate per capita?
We have no way of verifying UK residents' vaccination status. And let's not forget that Her Majesty's Government presently requires fully vaccinated French citizens to quarantine for 10 days. Who's playing politics again?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rench-minister
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Old Jul 19, 21, 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Owenc View Post
Iím not sure what your point is? The U.K. is currently testing almost 2/3 more than the USA per 1M people.
Doing a lot of testing and finding cases you wouldn't have otherwise found is admirable. But it doesn't change the fact that those cases exist.
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Old Jul 19, 21, 1:32 pm
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As a tangent to this discussion: Canada is allowing to fully vaccinated international travellers to enter from September 7. Fully vaccinated travellers from the US may enter Canada from August 9.
More details can be found here.

If Canada can find a way to check passengers' vaccination status, surely the US can, too.
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Old Jul 19, 21, 2:00 pm
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Originally Posted by oceanscape View Post
Are they CDC Level 4? In which case, the UK moving to Level 4 doesn't necessarily mean no re-opening, even if it seems somewhat ironic to say to your citizens don't go to the UK but to then let UK citizens into the US?
They actually are both at CDC Level 4. About 59 countries are in CDC Level 4 in fact.

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We have no way of verifying UK residents' vaccination status.
Surely we can just look at their paper/electronic vaccine record - the same way that many other countries are accepting whatever record the traveler's country uses (CDC card for the US for example)?

Or if that's really a bridge too far, then still require a negative test for inbound UK/EU travelers regardless of vaccination status - as is the currently case for every non-banned country traveler - and for US citizens returning home. At least that would allow travel to resume.
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Old Jul 19, 21, 2:17 pm
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As a tangent to this discussion: Canada is allowing to fully vaccinated international travellers to enter from September 7. Fully vaccinated travellers from the US may enter Canada from August 9.
More details can be found here.

If Canada can find a way to check passengers' vaccination status, surely the US can, too.
Actually, the article says that Canada will allow international travelers to enter from September 7th "if cases remain low". The headline doesn't mention that which is a bit shoddy.

I hope it happens!!

Canada To Re-Open If Case Counts Remain Low

Then, on Sept. 7, provided COVID-19 case counts remain low, Canadaís borders will re-open to any fully vaccinated travellers who have completed the full course of vaccination with a Government of Canada-accepted vaccine at least 14 days prior to entering Canada and who meet any specific entry requirements.
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Originally Posted by lobo411 View Post
Whether you like the idea or not, you are a constituent. Constituent only means the people who reside in the district the Congressperson represents. And the word people is literally in the Constitution, which is why resident aliens (legal or otherwise) are included in Congressional representation. Hell, even the slaves were technically represented in Congress (infamously, as 3/5 of a person).

But if you don't believe me, call or write your Congressperson and ask.
I would be delighted to be considered an actual 'constituent' and I defer to your knowledge of the Constitution. I was merely going by the dictionary definition of 'constituent' which refers to a voting member of a community having the power to appoint or elect (which I do not).

Nonetheless I would be grateful for the help of my representative. Time will tell whether there is anything they can do for us.
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Old Jul 19, 21, 2:26 pm
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the same way that many other countries are accepting whatever record the traveler's country uses (CDC card for the US for example)?
This is changing. I canceled my trip to France, for example, because the Pass Sanitaire is going to be required to do just about anything (go to a museum, take a train, go to a restaurant). There has been zero information out of the French government as to whether a CDC card will be accepted in lieu of a Pass Sanitaire, or whether they'll engineer some system to allow tourists to get a Pass Sanitaire with a CDC card.

If the new requirement went into effect this instant, and if it was enforced to the letter of the law, then all American tourists, regardless of vaccination status, would be required to get covid tested every 2-3 days to be in France. Each test costs 29-50 euros (depending on whether you choose an antigen or PCR test), and there's always the risk of a false positive resulting in mandatory quarantine.

Oh, that's also a thing, btw: what does the US do with incoming passengers who test positive from overseas? We have no quarantine system set up. Maybe we could cobble together some sort of ad hoc hotel-based quarantine? Of the kind that Australia used? You know, the kind that quickly became a breeding ground for covid?
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I would be delighted to be considered an actual 'constituent' and I defer to your knowledge of the Constitution. I was merely going by the dictionary definition of 'constituent' which refers to a voting member of a community having the power to appoint or elect (which I do not).

Nonetheless I would be grateful for the help of my representative. Time will tell whether there is anything they can do for us.
No problem! We do have a weird, archaic system here in the US, to be 100% frank!
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