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US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)

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Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021

Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/

Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.

3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.

Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
  • AstraZeneca
  • BIBP/Sinopharm
  • Covishield
  • Janssen/J&J
  • Moderna
  • Pfizer-BioNTech
  • Sinovac
Vaccination certificates must come from an official source
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases

Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021

As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDCs website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.

COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021

The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).

To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).

What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.

- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates

- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.

- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.

- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.

- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.

Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.

CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html


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Old May 14, 21, 8:42 am
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Yeah if you compare the total numbers the difference is huge but you have to keep in your mind that Portugal has 32 times smaller population than US. But even then the Portugal seems to be doing 3 times better than US. On the other hand with the vaccination progress in USA the curve will flatten very soon hopefully.
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Old May 14, 21, 9:31 am
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Yeah if you compare the total numbers the difference is huge but you have to keep in your mind that Portugal has 32 times smaller population than US. But even then the Portugal seems to be doing 3 times better than US. On the other hand with the vaccination progress in USA the curve will flatten very soon hopefully.
These charts are summary, not per capita, so the the key is to mostly ignore the numbers entirely and just look at the curve, relative to the baseline and relative to last year. USA is certainly heading in the right direction, but the numbers have stayed stubbornly high compared to other nations with similar vaccination campaigns, per capita or otherwise. This is why it is so important to keep increasing the number of vaccinated people. If this is as low as we can get, we will almost surely be looking at another surge once the temporary immunity from the winter surge wears off and we start seeing more reinfections.
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Old May 14, 21, 10:03 am
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Here's a chart that normalizes US, UK, and Portugal new cases per million. If the US slope continues, it will catch up to where the UK and Portugal are now in 2-3 weeks.

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Old May 14, 21, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by DL77 View Post
And we also take into account that UK has decidedly more '' relaxed '' entry rules than the American ones. In addition, UK has issued a precise roadmap which, right or wrong, is based on real data. I find that the US administration's behavior regarding UK and Schengen travel bans has become very '' irritating '' and anachronistic. I know from Italian sources that this attitude is very bothering the European and British authorities.
It's frustrating here in the US that at the Federal level, in addition to keeping the policies unchanged, the government is silent on what the plan would be to modify or rescind the travel bans - milestones, etc. (There was a brief news article in March quoting the Administration as saying they hoped to lift European restrictions in May but that's been it.) The prior Administration set in motion a lifting of the ban from Europe coincident with the new inbound testing requirement, which seemed like a logical decision to me, but the new Administration reversed that without any substantive public rationale given.

Although I've noted that some other countries are similarly tight-lipped and often don't extend entry bans and similar until the last minute, so I suppose there is a lot of variation out there as well.

Most state governments here, though, have been more informative as rules have changed over time. Mine has regular press conferences and discusses what their rationale was for the policies and what their thinking is about future revisions and such. Of course, most all restrictions that impact our daily lives here are state and local, not Federal, so the non-travel-junkies aren't that concerned about entry bans I suppose.
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Old May 14, 21, 11:11 am
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UK News is reporting an increase in cases in the "Indian" variant. It's hard to believe now the US would change it's stance upon seeing this. Feels like there's no end in sight for this ban
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Old May 14, 21, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by pc32435 View Post
UK News is reporting an increase in cases in the "Indian" variant. It's hard to believe now the US would change it's stance upon seeing this. Feels like there's no end in sight for this ban
It's starting to look that way, but let's wait and see if the vaccines are able to bring things back under control. In any event, we've tried to guarantee our entry by booking 14 nights in Mexico and flying from there instead, but we're in an incredibly fortunate position in that we're able to do so.
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Old May 14, 21, 2:51 pm
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In reverse order to your statements, I agree that many international restrictions will end after domestic (that's simply a logical function of a sensible order of priorities) but clearly there's huge political pressure here to allow holidays, which isn't present in the US. So those political pressures do skew decision making and priority setting.

I'm not sure that doing more vaccination (on the QT it appears) in Bolton is indicative of anything much, other than common sense.

But I completely disagree that the Civil Service is free from political influence, whether overt (eg, the government orders the Civil Service to do something, or not to do something) or less obvious (the choice of scientific adviser or statistical modeller, for example). Everything is politicized in the US, but it isn't so much here and I think there is marginal at most correlation between views on strictness of lockdown between left and right. Rural and urban, perhaps, but I suspect that's more to do with everyday practicalities than political beliefs.

But back on topic, we have a situation where both the UK and the US have separately arrived at very different rules. The UK's rules and procedures are adapting as the situation evolves but the US' rules, which seemed sensible 14 months ago are now completely ridiculous. It also seems that the US won't move on its rules unless the UK moves on its. So it is political.
Yes, your right there's politics involved. I just don't believe it is anyone's aim to keep the restrictions in place longer than necessary.

Has any US politician said anything at all about the travel restrictions? In UK it's almost a weekly occurrence (with the answer always along the lines of planning a holiday in UK), and in EU summer holidays as normal are the one thing that most politicians in multiple countries seem to have promised.
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Old May 14, 21, 3:41 pm
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Has any US politician said anything at all about the travel restrictions? In UK it's almost a weekly occurrence (with the answer always along the lines of planning a holiday in UK), and in EU summer holidays as normal are the one thing that most politicians in multiple countries seem to have promised.
USA is a country larger than EU, the travel that anybody is concerned about here is all domestic, so there is really no discussion of travelling abroad or foreign tourists coming in here.
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UK News is reporting an increase in cases in the "Indian" variant. It's hard to believe now the US would change it's stance upon seeing this. Feels like there's no end in sight for this ban
We dont have a change in our case rates. Our media are a bunch of scaremongers who come out with this nonsense about variants every time we move up a stage because they want the population to be afraid.

But if the American authorities want to latch on to that and use it as yet another excuse to delay reopening, I am sure they will.

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Yes, your right there's politics involved. I just don't believe it is anyone's aim to keep the restrictions in place longer than necessary.

Has any US politician said anything at all about the travel restrictions? In UK it's almost a weekly occurrence (with the answer always along the lines of planning a holiday in UK), and in EU summer holidays as normal are the one thing that most politicians in multiple countries seem to have promised.
I suppose its not an issue for Americans. They dont need to travel out of their country to see warmer climes or a variety in landscapes. And are effectively in their own continent sized bubble.
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But how is this benefit for US? I mean basically 50% of the nation is vaccinated..
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But how is this benefit for US? I mean basically 50% of the nation is vaccinated..
Just be patient. With the way they're relaxing domestic restrictions right now, there's no way they will need to stay closed to other countries, especially vaccinated travellers.
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Old May 14, 21, 6:58 pm
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We dont have a change in our case rates. Our media are a bunch of scaremongers who come out with this nonsense about variants every time we move up a stage because they want the population to be afraid.

But if the American authorities want to latch on to that and use it as yet another excuse to delay reopening, I am sure they will.

The Prime Minister held a briefing on it, outlined measures to supply more vaccine doses to the cities seeing an outbreak fo the Indian variant.

So it seems to be more than media-driven?
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Old May 14, 21, 7:30 pm
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The Prime Minister held a briefing on it, outlined measures to supply more vaccine doses to the cities seeing an outbreak fo the Indian variant.

So it seems to be more than media-driven?
There are a few hot spots for the Indian variant, one in Glasgow and another around Bolton (north of Manchester). These are certainly not made up, but they are not yet significantly changing the national figures. Fortunately it seems so far this is not leading to significant hospitalisations, and as you noted resources are being targeted including testing and vaccinations which should hopefully keep this in check. For Glasgow the Scottish government has additionally decided to keep Glasgow at a higher alert level then the rest of Scotland in order to help deal with this.
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I really hope so bro. I spent about $15.000 (probably not huge amount in US, but in centra/eastern Europe it is quite a lot) for the wedding in Malibu with my GF and I am checking the updates every single day if we will be able to fly or not.
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Old May 14, 21, 7:42 pm
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I really hope so bro. I spent about $15.000 (probably not huge amount in US, but in centra/eastern Europe it is quite a lot) for the wedding in Malibu with my GF and I am checking the updates every single day if we will be able to fly or not.
When is this?
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