Sep 15, 21, 2:47 pm
Last edit by: NewbieRunner
New thread for discussing 1-day test requirements for travellers arriving in the US by air
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDCs website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
- AstraZeneca
- BIBP/Sinopharm
- Covishield
- Janssen/J&J
- Moderna
- Pfizer-BioNTech
- Sinovac
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDCs website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)
May 14, 21, 8:42 am
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Yeah if you compare the total numbers the difference is huge but you have to keep in your mind that Portugal has 32 times smaller population than US. But even then the Portugal seems to be doing 3 times better than US. On the other hand with the vaccination progress in USA the curve will flatten very soon hopefully.
May 14, 21, 9:31 am
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Originally Posted by casey89
Yeah if you compare the total numbers the difference is huge but you have to keep in your mind that Portugal has 32 times smaller population than US. But even then the Portugal seems to be doing 3 times better than US. On the other hand with the vaccination progress in USA the curve will flatten very soon hopefully.
May 14, 21, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by DL77
And we also take into account that UK has decidedly more '' relaxed '' entry rules than the American ones. In addition, UK has issued a precise roadmap which, right or wrong, is based on real data. I find that the US administration's behavior regarding UK and Schengen travel bans has become very '' irritating '' and anachronistic. I know from Italian sources that this attitude is very bothering the European and British authorities.
Although I've noted that some other countries are similarly tight-lipped and often don't extend entry bans and similar until the last minute, so I suppose there is a lot of variation out there as well.
Most state governments here, though, have been more informative as rules have changed over time. Mine has regular press conferences and discusses what their rationale was for the policies and what their thinking is about future revisions and such. Of course, most all restrictions that impact our daily lives here are state and local, not Federal, so the non-travel-junkies aren't that concerned about entry bans I suppose.
May 14, 21, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by pc32435
UK News is reporting an increase in cases in the "Indian" variant. It's hard to believe now the US would change it's stance upon seeing this. Feels like there's no end in sight for this ban
May 14, 21, 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by lhrsfo
In reverse order to your statements, I agree that many international restrictions will end after domestic (that's simply a logical function of a sensible order of priorities) but clearly there's huge political pressure here to allow holidays, which isn't present in the US. So those political pressures do skew decision making and priority setting.
I'm not sure that doing more vaccination (on the QT it appears) in Bolton is indicative of anything much, other than common sense.
But I completely disagree that the Civil Service is free from political influence, whether overt (eg, the government orders the Civil Service to do something, or not to do something) or less obvious (the choice of scientific adviser or statistical modeller, for example). Everything is politicized in the US, but it isn't so much here and I think there is marginal at most correlation between views on strictness of lockdown between left and right. Rural and urban, perhaps, but I suspect that's more to do with everyday practicalities than political beliefs.
But back on topic, we have a situation where both the UK and the US have separately arrived at very different rules. The UK's rules and procedures are adapting as the situation evolves but the US' rules, which seemed sensible 14 months ago are now completely ridiculous. It also seems that the US won't move on its rules unless the UK moves on its. So it is political.
I'm not sure that doing more vaccination (on the QT it appears) in Bolton is indicative of anything much, other than common sense.
But I completely disagree that the Civil Service is free from political influence, whether overt (eg, the government orders the Civil Service to do something, or not to do something) or less obvious (the choice of scientific adviser or statistical modeller, for example). Everything is politicized in the US, but it isn't so much here and I think there is marginal at most correlation between views on strictness of lockdown between left and right. Rural and urban, perhaps, but I suspect that's more to do with everyday practicalities than political beliefs.
But back on topic, we have a situation where both the UK and the US have separately arrived at very different rules. The UK's rules and procedures are adapting as the situation evolves but the US' rules, which seemed sensible 14 months ago are now completely ridiculous. It also seems that the US won't move on its rules unless the UK moves on its. So it is political.
Has any US politician said anything at all about the travel restrictions? In UK it's almost a weekly occurrence (with the answer always along the lines of planning a holiday in UK), and in EU summer holidays as normal are the one thing that most politicians in multiple countries seem to have promised.
May 14, 21, 3:41 pm
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Originally Posted by 8420PR
Has any US politician said anything at all about the travel restrictions? In UK it's almost a weekly occurrence (with the answer always along the lines of planning a holiday in UK), and in EU summer holidays as normal are the one thing that most politicians in multiple countries seem to have promised.
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May 14, 21, 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by pc32435
UK News is reporting an increase in cases in the "Indian" variant. It's hard to believe now the US would change it's stance upon seeing this. Feels like there's no end in sight for this ban
But if the American authorities want to latch on to that and use it as yet another excuse to delay reopening, I am sure they will.
Originally Posted by 8420PR
Yes, your right there's politics involved. I just don't believe it is anyone's aim to keep the restrictions in place longer than necessary.
Has any US politician said anything at all about the travel restrictions? In UK it's almost a weekly occurrence (with the answer always along the lines of planning a holiday in UK), and in EU summer holidays as normal are the one thing that most politicians in multiple countries seem to have promised.
Has any US politician said anything at all about the travel restrictions? In UK it's almost a weekly occurrence (with the answer always along the lines of planning a holiday in UK), and in EU summer holidays as normal are the one thing that most politicians in multiple countries seem to have promised.
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May 14, 21, 6:48 pm
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Originally Posted by casey89
But how is this benefit for US? I mean basically 50% of the nation is vaccinated..
May 14, 21, 6:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Owenc
We dont have a change in our case rates. Our media are a bunch of scaremongers who come out with this nonsense about variants every time we move up a stage because they want the population to be afraid.
But if the American authorities want to latch on to that and use it as yet another excuse to delay reopening, I am sure they will.
But if the American authorities want to latch on to that and use it as yet another excuse to delay reopening, I am sure they will.
The Prime Minister held a briefing on it, outlined measures to supply more vaccine doses to the cities seeing an outbreak fo the Indian variant.
So it seems to be more than media-driven?
May 14, 21, 7:30 pm
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Originally Posted by exp
The Prime Minister held a briefing on it, outlined measures to supply more vaccine doses to the cities seeing an outbreak fo the Indian variant.
So it seems to be more than media-driven?
So it seems to be more than media-driven?
May 14, 21, 7:33 pm
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I really hope so bro. I spent about $15.000 (probably not huge amount in US, but in centra/eastern Europe it is quite a lot) for the wedding in Malibu with my GF and I am checking the updates every single day if we will be able to fly or not.
May 14, 21, 7:42 pm
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Originally Posted by casey89
I really hope so bro. I spent about $15.000 (probably not huge amount in US, but in centra/eastern Europe it is quite a lot) for the wedding in Malibu with my GF and I am checking the updates every single day if we will be able to fly or not.
