Sep 15, 21, 1:47 pm
Last edit by: NewbieRunner
New thread for discussing 1-day test requirements for travellers arriving in the US by air
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/coronavirus-travel/2060730-us-require-air-travelers-provide-negative-test-within-1-day-departure.html
Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021
Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/
Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.
3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.
Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
- AstraZeneca
- BIBP/Sinopharm
- Covishield
- Janssen/J&J
- Moderna
- Pfizer-BioNTech
- Sinovac
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases
Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021
As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDC’s website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.
COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021
The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).
To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).
What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.
- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates
- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.
- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.
- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.
- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.
Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.
CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html
US reopened on 8 November 2021 (& subsequent entry restrictions for non-citizens)
Jul 16, 21, 6:13 am
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Originally Posted by radonc1
I try not to be uber pessimistic, but.
Given the rapidly rising rates of Covid infection due to the Delta variant both here in the US and abroad and
Given the limited vaccination rates in multiple countries and...
Given the schizophrenic approach in dealing with the pandemic that some of our government administrators have adopted in regards to the science of Covid infection,
All I see is delays and obfuscation on getting us reopened as far as travel is concerned without ridiculous restrictions and testing requirements for anyone, no matter what their vaccination status
I certainly hope I am 100% wrong
Given the rapidly rising rates of Covid infection due to the Delta variant both here in the US and abroad and
Given the limited vaccination rates in multiple countries and...
Given the schizophrenic approach in dealing with the pandemic that some of our government administrators have adopted in regards to the science of Covid infection,
All I see is delays and obfuscation on getting us reopened as far as travel is concerned without ridiculous restrictions and testing requirements for anyone, no matter what their vaccination status
I certainly hope I am 100% wrong
At this point, looking at the data, the US has a high overall percentage of vaccination compared to much of the rest of the world (like everywhere there are pockets otherwise but this is hardly unique). Some people will never be vaccinated. That has never been an attainable goal
Biden has done a nice job of pissing off business lately so not sure he cares about that but if there is a way he can declare a victory and claim it, that may be useful with midterm elections coming up
Our government got themselves into a bind without a clear path out. Opening up and shutting down as soon as Biden took office. Publicizing a goal that was unattainable (fully "beating" the virus, keeping everyone safe) might have seemed good in the short term for motivation but created the mess we are in now. That message is so deep it is hard to reverse with some. Maybe Merkel helped him see a way out.
With midterm election not far off, that could be a good thing for him. I have ever confidence that if there is a solution or motivation for change in the US, it will have a political aspect. The good news, the american audience will believe what the media will sell them
Jul 16, 21, 7:08 am
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Originally Posted by pfreet
COVID is endemic in the US. 50% of the entire population is fully vaccinated, including 90% of 65+ having at last one shot. There is zero, zero reason for a travel ban at this point.
Jul 16, 21, 7:35 am
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Originally Posted by aj411
At this point, looking at the data, the US has a high overall percentage of vaccination compared to much of the rest of the world
the USA has ~55% of total population with at least one jab of a Covid-19 vaccine, the UK/Ireland and many Schengen countries are currently between 60 and 70%.
Jul 16, 21, 8:12 am
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I watched this and yes kudos to that German reporter for pretty much emphasizing how ridiculous it is. Biden's response was as above but it was pretty non enthusiastic at the very least.
Last edited by enviroian; Jul 16, 21 at 8:21 am
Jul 16, 21, 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by pfreet
COVID is endemic in the US. 50% of the entire population is fully vaccinated, including 90% of 65+ having at last one shot. There is zero, zero reason for a travel ban at this point.
Jul 16, 21, 8:45 am
#1583
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Originally Posted by Sjoerd
However, the UK / Ireland and most of Schengen are now ahead of the US:
the USA has ~55% of total population with at least one jab of a Covid-19 vaccine, the UK/Ireland and many Schengen countries are currently between 60 and 70%.
the USA has ~55% of total population with at least one jab of a Covid-19 vaccine, the UK/Ireland and many Schengen countries are currently between 60 and 70%.
Anyway, as I posted in the general coronavirus thread, the real debate in the administration is about how we're going to verify EU vaccination status. Let's not forget that EU states (France, Portugal, Greece) have either stopped recognizing CDC cards, or they've adopted vaccine passport schemes for everyday activities that exclude all foreigners. Their reasoning is that it's impossible to verify foreign vaccination status.
Jul 16, 21, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by Seph87
COVID is endemic on the entire planet, save a few island nations that managed to keep it out. At some point it will become endemic in those nations too unless they plan to keep their borders closed forever.
Jul 16, 21, 9:10 am
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Originally Posted by Kgmm77
If it’s endemic everywhere isn’t it by definition still at the pandemic stage? Endemism surely requires it not be a major issue in a substantial number of locations. And we’re not there yet.
Jul 16, 21, 9:19 am
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Originally Posted by mikeyfly
UK breached 50,000 cases today.... can't see the US being keen to let us in anytime soon....
Since the Netherlands opened up on June 26th cases have risen from ~600 per day to 11,000 per day yesterday and today……. Latest R0 number: 2.9
That Delta variant is a b!tch
Jul 16, 21, 9:21 am
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Originally Posted by Sjoerd
And this is before the UK opening up planned for next Monday!
Since the Netherlands opened up on June 26th cases have risen from ~600 per day to 11,000 per day yesterday and today……. Latest R0 number: 2.9
That Delta variant is a b!tch
Since the Netherlands opened up on June 26th cases have risen from ~600 per day to 11,000 per day yesterday and today……. Latest R0 number: 2.9
That Delta variant is a b!tch
Jul 16, 21, 10:11 am
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A number of off-topic and non-contributive posts had to be deleted but the thread is open again following President Biden's statement at the press conference with Chancellor Merkel of Germany yesterday. Please stay on topic to make this a useful information source.
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Last edited by NewbieRunner; Jul 16, 21 at 12:42 pm
Jul 16, 21, 10:58 am
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I recently returned from the EU to the US. On the way out, I had to show my CDC card (not any test) at the departing airport (SFO) and at the arrival airport (CPH). Returning likewise on a nonstop flight, I had to show a test at CPH (no CDC card) and no test (and no CDC card) at SFO.
My question is this. Given a US-EU trust relationship, what is in the way of the US trusting the EU to check EU residents for a valid EU Digital COVID Certificate at departure? I mean, the airline is already responsible for any passenger being able to enter the destination country?
My question is this. Given a US-EU trust relationship, what is in the way of the US trusting the EU to check EU residents for a valid EU Digital COVID Certificate at departure? I mean, the airline is already responsible for any passenger being able to enter the destination country?
