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Entry ban from eight southern African countries starting on November 29, 2021

Most non-U.S. citizens who have been in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Namibia, Lesotho, Eswatini, Mozambique or Malaw within the prior 14 days will not be allowed into the United States.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/11/26/a-proclamation-on-suspension-of-entry-as-immigrants-and-nonimmigrants-of-certain-additional-persons-who-pose-a-risk-of-transmitting-coronavirus-disease-2019/

Entry ban by air to be lifted on November 8, 2021 - All travelers should refer to CDC for travel requirements.

3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue (US citizens/LPR not vaccinated will have to test no earlier than 1 day prior) Children under 2 years old do not need to test.

Children under 18 are exempt from vaccination requirement
Accepted vaccines will include:
  • AstraZeneca
  • BIBP/Sinopharm
  • Covishield
  • Janssen/J&J
  • Moderna
  • Pfizer-BioNTech
  • Sinovac
Vaccination certificates must come from an official source
There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old
Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases

Update on U.S. travel policy requiring COVID-19 vaccination
Last Updated: October 25, 2021

As announced by the White House today, the new travel policy requiring foreign nationals traveling to the United States to demonstrate proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 will take effect November 8. The CDCs website explains that, for purposes of entry into the United States, the accepted vaccines will include FDA approved or authorized and WHO Emergency Use Listing vaccines.

COVID-19 Travel Restrictions and Exceptions - U.S. Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs
Last updated: October 25, 2021

The presidential proclamations described on this page will no longer be in effect on November 8, 2021. For additional information, please see Safely Resuming Travel by Vaccine Requirement and Rescission of Travel Restrictions on Brazil, China, India, Iran, Ireland, the Schengen Area, South Africa, and the United Kingdom (travel.state.gov).

To protect the public health, there are four presidential proclamations that suspend entry into the United States of all noncitizens who were physically present in any of 33 countries during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States. They are Presidential Proclamation 9984 (China); Presidential Proclamation 9992 (Iran); Presidential Proclamation 10143 (Schengen Area, United Kingdom, Ireland, Brazil, and South Africa); and Presidential Proclamation 10199 (India).

What we know so far is
- Confirmed to start on 8 November
- Children under 18 are exempt from the vaccine restrictions, so the varying international standards on jab ages won't be an issue here.

- Vaccines that are OK will include Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J and the two Chinese vaccines.
- Some exemptions from vaccinations are potentially allowed, notably for US citizens, though my guess is airlines will be expecting to see vaccine certificates

- 3 day pre-flight testing requirement will continue, so this needs to be a documented antigen/Lateral Flow test or PCR.
- 3 days is potentially more than 72 hours, departure on a Friday afternoon means a test on Tuesday morning or thereafter.
- NHS Lateral Flows and PCRs can't be used.
- Children over 2 years old travelling with vaccinated travellers have to be tested on the same basis (3 days).
- 1 day testing for unvaccinated USA legal residents (testing on or the day before departure), including their children.

- All passengers need to sign an attestment to confirm their negative test result and also a statement to confirm full vaccination status.
- Children who are not vaccinated do not need to get vaccinated but do need to get a "viral test" 3 to 5 days after arrival in the USA
- As a result there is a separate attestion question for unvaccinated children to confirm that the viral test is arranged.

- Vaccination certificates must come from an official source. The NHS COVID Pass app and EU DCC are specifically mentioned as acceptable.
- Vaccination is counted as two weeks from dose2, or 2 weeks after the sole dose in the case of J&J.
- Antibody certification is not a replacement for the need for vaccination, at least for non USA residents.
- 14 clear days need to elapse before travel. So if jabbed on 1 October then 15 October is when you are good to go.
- Booster vaccinations are not a factor here, they don't count towards or against the primary dose process.

- There is a face mask mandate when flying to/from the USA, with effectively no exemptions, and including children two and above years old.
- Airlines need to provide some sort of contact tracing information for potential follow-up cases.
- These restrictions do not apply at the land border.

Note that a lot of interpretation onus falls on airlines. For example there is no language requirement for vaccine certificates as far as the CDC is concerned, however you can imagine Air France may be hesitant in accepting a vaccine certificate issued in the Welsh language, to take one example.

CDC link
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2...el-System.html


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Old Jul 7, 21, 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by merlin90
They're not nationally known names but we do now have some members of Congress publicly saying that travel restrictions should be lifted. I don't know why they specifically mention omit the Schengen countries from their request but it's good to see this kind of public pressure on the increase.

https://twitter.com/RepBrianHiggins/...91223052550146

(The letter enclosed within the tweet shows all the signatories.)
thanks for posting!

I am surprised as well, that neither the EU nor Shengen is mentioned and only the UK in Europe. The rest of Europe has far less cases than the UK…
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Old Jul 7, 21, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by merlin90
They're not nationally known names but we do now have some members of Congress publicly saying that travel restrictions should be lifted. I don't know why they specifically mention omit the Schengen countries from their request but it's good to see this kind of public pressure on the increase.

https://twitter.com/RepBrianHiggins/...91223052550146

(The letter enclosed within the tweet shows all the signatories.)
In their own eyes, every member of Congress is/should be a nationally known name.

Also, there have been articles today about Chuck Schumer (the Senate majority leader, for the non-Americans reading this) complaining about the borders still being closed. That could start to move things, depending on how hard Schumer wants to push this.
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Old Jul 7, 21, 2:05 pm
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Originally Posted by LETTERBOY
In their own eyes, every member of Congress is/should be a nationally known name.

Also, there have been articles today about Chuck Schumer (the Senate majority leader, for the non-Americans reading this) complaining about the borders still being closed. That could start to move things, depending on how hard Schumer wants to push this.
Schumer is talking about the Canadian border but still, good to keep the broader issue front and centre, particularly when it's a relatively heavy hitter like him getting involved.
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Old Jul 7, 21, 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by merlin90
Schumer is talking about the Canadian border but still, good to keep the broader issue front and centre, particularly when it's a relatively heavy hitter like him getting involved.
Again, just so folks don't get their hopes too high, this all depends on how hard Schumer wants to push this. Like Biden, he is probably far more interested in the White House legislative agenda than in opening up travel. And the Democratic majority in each house is razor thin, so he (like Biden) will need to be careful where he spends his political capital. If it comes to a choice between opening up travel or making major progress on Biden's infrastructure package (for example), he's almost certainly going to choose the latter.

OTOH, he is the Senate majority leader (as well as a Senator from a border state), and Biden will need his support to get anything through the Senate. So, if it looks like there will be a close vote in one of Biden's priorities (let's use the infrastructure package as an example again), he might be willing to push a little harder to get another vote or two if Biden were willing to push the Canadians on the border issue.
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Old Jul 7, 21, 6:06 pm
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Theyre going to have to reopen their borders eventually though.

The longer they hold out, the more awkward and stubborn they are going to appear on the world stage.
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One legal question - can this presidential proclamation made invalid by Congress or SCOTUS?
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Old Jul 7, 21, 8:28 pm
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Originally Posted by invisible
One legal question - can this presidential proclamation made invalid by Congress or SCOTUS?
Highly unlikely.

SCOTUS would only overturn it if it violated the constitution. But theyve already said the president has almost unlimited powers in the immigration sphere. Congress could theoretically pass legislation that contradicts it (and it would genuinely be a hard question as to which takes priority) but the president could always veto the legislation.
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Old Jul 7, 21, 8:33 pm
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One legal question - can this presidential proclamation made invalid by Congress or SCOTUS?
In short, no.

Congress can only override a presidential action by passing a law. Even if a Democratic Congress was inclined to pass such a law, the President would veto it. That would require an override--2/3 majority in both Houses, which won't happen.

Supreme Court can invalidate a presidential proclamation if one proves that the law was abused to make it happen, and that there were people harmed by it (aka standing). The trouble is that the covid travel ban seems to be exactly the kind of situation the law was designed for (a serious and compelling global emergency), so there's no abuse there. And there's also no standing, because the travel ban has been in effect for almost a year now. Too much time has passed to challenge the proclamation.

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Another interesting "push" for reopening, which appeared yesterday (7th July):
Two Dozen Industry Groups Release Blueprint to Reopen International Travel
from U.S. Travel Association
[Link not allowed from a new user and removed by mod]

Some relvant parts of this letter:
A coalition of 24 trade organizations representing a large and diverse swath of the U.S. economy is renewing urgent calls to lift restrictions on international visitation to the United States, and on Wednesday released a policy blueprint for reopening borders safely
...

The travel industry agrees that being guided by the science is absolutely the correct approach, and the science has been telling us for some time that its possible to begin to safely reopen international travel, said U.S. Travel Association President and CEO Roger Dow
...
The science is clearit is time, if not past the time, for the U.S. Government to take action and reopen travel between the U.S. and low-risk countries.
...
Ease entry restrictions by July 15, 2021, when the U.S. is forecast to achieve widespread immunity and sustained declines in infections and hospitalizations
...
Restrictions on international travel are no longer what is protecting us from outbreaks of the virus, Dow said
...
Along with U.S. Travel, signatories to the blueprint include: Airlines for America; Airports Council International North America; the Aeronautical Repair Station Association; the Aerospace Industries Association; the American Association of Airport Executives; the American Gaming Association; the American Hotel and Lodging Association; the American Society of Travel Advisors; American Tours International, LLC; the Cargo Airline Association; the General Aviation Manufacturers Association; the Global Business Travel Association; the International Air Transport Association; the International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions; the International Franchise Association; the International Inbound Travel Association; the National Air Carrier Association; the National Restaurant Association; RTCA; the Regional Air Cargo Carriers Association; the Regional Airline Association; The Travel Technology Association; and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
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Old Jul 8, 21, 1:36 am
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I'm posting this in case it's of any use to anyone. The US Embassy in London still refuses to entertain applications for NIE while the applicant is in the USA so it's simply not possible to request one until I'm in the UK. Then of course there's (a) no guarantee of getting one and (b) no timescale other than 'several weeks' for an application to be processed. I am considering trying it anyway as I have essential work to do in the UK. If I can get the timing to work out I will go to London, apply for an NIE and plan to travel back via another (accepted) country. If by some chance I receive the NIE I'll fly back direct. If I travel back indirectly there's a chance that at some point I'll receive the NIE which will be valid for a year. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Getting an appointment at the Embassy for anything in London is an ordeal. It took months and months to get a time to register our girls' birth (which was in 2019) and do passport applications. We finally got that sorted last month. Now I'm the only non-US citizen in our home!
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Another interesting "push" for reopening, which appeared yesterday (7th July):
Two Dozen Industry Groups Release Blueprint to Reopen International Travel
from U.S. Travel Association
[Link not allowed from a new user and removed by mod]

Some relvant parts of this letter:
A coalition of 24 trade organizations representing a large and diverse swath of the U.S. economy is renewing urgent calls to lift restrictions on international visitation to the United States, and on Wednesday released a policy blueprint for reopening borders safely
...

The travel industry agrees that being guided by the science is absolutely the correct approach, and the science has been telling us for some time that its possible to begin to safely reopen international travel, said U.S. Travel Association President and CEO Roger Dow
...
The science is clearit is time, if not past the time, for the U.S. Government to take action and reopen travel between the U.S. and low-risk countries.
...
Ease entry restrictions by July 15, 2021, when the U.S. is forecast to achieve widespread immunity and sustained declines in infections and hospitalizations
...
Restrictions on international travel are no longer what is protecting us from outbreaks of the virus, Dow said
...
Along with U.S. Travel, signatories to the blueprint include: Airlines for America; Airports Council International North America; the Aeronautical Repair Station Association; the Aerospace Industries Association; the American Association of Airport Executives; the American Gaming Association; the American Hotel and Lodging Association; the American Society of Travel Advisors; American Tours International, LLC; the Cargo Airline Association; the General Aviation Manufacturers Association; the Global Business Travel Association; the International Air Transport Association; the International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions; the International Franchise Association; the International Inbound Travel Association; the National Air Carrier Association; the National Restaurant Association; RTCA; the Regional Air Cargo Carriers Association; the Regional Airline Association; The Travel Technology Association; and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
Here's a link to the above press release:

https://www.ustravel.org/press/two-d...ational-travel
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Here's a link to the above press release:

https://www.ustravel.org/press/two-d...ational-travel

I'd like to think this will make a difference and speed up the reopening. I'd really like to. But my confidence on that front is rather low.
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I'd like to think this will make a difference and speed up the reopening. I'd really like to. But my confidence on that front is rather low.
I don't know how much any of those organizations contribute to various political campaigns, but if any are decently-sized donors to some Members of Congress, it might help a little in prompting some more Members to voice their support to lifting the ban (especially helpful if they are from the President's own party). Or not. I really have no idea what would be a motivating force for the White House at this point.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...al-2021-07-08/

WASHINGTON, July 7 (Reuters) - The Biden administration will not immediately lift any international travel restrictions, even as it faces growing pressure from U.S. business groups and lawmakers, a White House official told Reuters on Wednesday.
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