EU to let vaccinated travellers in!
May 1, 2021, 12:07 pm
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Denmark is in the EU and they already have put in place a requirement for meeting a vaccination and/or testing result standard so as to do some indoor activity:
A few kilometres away, the National Museum has set up small tents to check that each visitor is wearing a face mask and is the holder of a “corona pass”.
The pass — which confirms that a person has either tested negative in the past 72 hours, been vaccinated, or recently recovered from Covid-19 — is required to enter museums and sit down at restaurants, where reservations are mandatory except at outdoor terraces.
The pass — which confirms that a person has either tested negative in the past 72 hours, been vaccinated, or recently recovered from Covid-19 — is required to enter museums and sit down at restaurants, where reservations are mandatory except at outdoor terraces.
May 1, 2021, 12:09 pm
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I guess it's cultural.
French restaurant owners managed to get Macron to open up several times during the past year when it didn't turn out to be a wise decision.
They're not going to check for vaccination or negative tests even if government required it. In fact, are they going to comply with restrictions on indoor dining?
That's why you have to be wary about booking anything now. We will see as restrictions are relaxed in May what happens to the number of cases in France, which is still high.
French restaurant owners managed to get Macron to open up several times during the past year when it didn't turn out to be a wise decision.
They're not going to check for vaccination or negative tests even if government required it. In fact, are they going to comply with restrictions on indoor dining?
That's why you have to be wary about booking anything now. We will see as restrictions are relaxed in May what happens to the number of cases in France, which is still high.
May 1, 2021, 12:15 pm
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Denmark is in the EU and they already have put in place a requirement for meeting a vaccination and/or testing result standard so as to do some indoor activity:
https://www.thelocal.dk/20210422/its...s-and-museums/
https://www.thelocal.dk/20210422/its...s-and-museums/
What goes in one EU state doesn’t work in others. It will be tough enough to gain consensus for even the most basic cross-border usage of a Green/Digital/Passport/Certificate (whatever it’s called today) without using it more more contentious purposes. That’s not to say some countries won’t extend its use (like Denmark for example), but the chances of it being an EU initiative are very low.
May 1, 2021, 12:17 pm
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That is incorrect. I mentioned Denmark and Denmark's being in the EU to show that the words which I quoted were making a claim that already doesn't hold up as true.
Here's the claim:
"..... I don’t believe a single second that some could introduce the requirement of being vaccinated or tested to go to a restaurant. This could work in some countries, but certainly not in EU."
The claim in the quoted words already don't hold as true.
I know full well that Denmark isn't Sweden, even as each of them are in the EU and are very divergent in their approaches during this pandemic. So which was the proxy earlier and now? Neither.
Here's the claim:
"..... I don’t believe a single second that some could introduce the requirement of being vaccinated or tested to go to a restaurant. This could work in some countries, but certainly not in EU."
The claim in the quoted words already don't hold as true.
I know full well that Denmark isn't Sweden, even as each of them are in the EU and are very divergent in their approaches during this pandemic. So which was the proxy earlier and now? Neither.
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May 1, 2021, 12:22 pm
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It’s no different to saying a New Jersey or California requirement has little chance of becoming a Federal law, even though there may be some overlaps in the practical application.
May 1, 2021, 12:26 pm
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Facts matter, as does pointing out how things are already going in parts of the EU.
May 1, 2021, 12:34 pm
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For France, it has been made very clear that the sanitary passport (vaccination or recent test) will not be required for daily activities like shopping or going to a restaurant, see a movie, etc. Only mandated for travels out of the country and attending large events (concerts, conventions). Of course, each member state can do what they want, but I don’t believe a single second that some could introduce the requirement of being vaccinated or tested to go to a restaurant. This could work in some countries, but certainly not in EU. Revolutions have started for less than this 
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May 1, 2021, 12:59 pm
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It’s somewhat of a paradox that the countries whose climate is more friendly to eating outdoors are also the ones that we find the least able to adopt a vaccination pass for eating indoors?
May 1, 2021, 1:26 pm
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My Walgreens CDC card does not appear to have required batch and lot numbers.
May 1, 2021, 2:03 pm
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I'll stick with addressing the words which I quoted rather than with a later take on what the quoted words mean or may have been meant to mean. That OP didn't mention Denmark in the post from which I quoted.
Facts matter, as does pointing out how things are already going in parts of the EU.
Facts matter, as does pointing out how things are already going in parts of the EU.
May 1, 2021, 6:12 pm
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I spend my life immersed in the EU legislative process. What goes on in Denmark is frankly as relevant as what goes on in Djibouti for many of the EU countries and even at its most basic, the EU COVID certificate still faces large hurdles to come into force at all. Let’s wait and see where this all goes over the next month or two, as the last year has sadly brought the limitations of the EU structures into cold focus. But we live in hope.
May 1, 2021, 6:37 pm
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The flights will still be pretty empty if unvaccinated children (i.e. pretty much everyone under 16) are not allowed in.
Apparently Iceland, Europe, etc. only want adult travelers. Kudos to Greece for allowing all ages with negative test results.
Also the pithy PR statements are nice but meaningless when not accompanied by commitments to firm dates. For some places in Europe summer does not really start until schools let out at end of June (e.g. UK). That's a pretty short window for some us, as our schools are back in session the 2nd week in August. Yet another sign they clearly don't want families.
Apparently Iceland, Europe, etc. only want adult travelers. Kudos to Greece for allowing all ages with negative test results.
Also the pithy PR statements are nice but meaningless when not accompanied by commitments to firm dates. For some places in Europe summer does not really start until schools let out at end of June (e.g. UK). That's a pretty short window for some us, as our schools are back in session the 2nd week in August. Yet another sign they clearly don't want families.
May 1, 2021, 6:51 pm
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“After spending much of the past year tending to elderly patients, doctors are seeing a clear demographic shift: young and middle-aged adults make up a growing share of the patients in COVID-19 hospital wards.”
NPR: COVID 'Doesn't Discriminate By Age': Serious Cases On The Rise In Younger Adults
NPR: COVID 'Doesn't Discriminate By Age': Serious Cases On The Rise In Younger Adults
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May 2, 2021, 12:40 am
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The flights will still be pretty empty if unvaccinated children (i.e. pretty much everyone under 16) are not allowed in.
Apparently Iceland, Europe, etc. only want adult travelers. Kudos to Greece for allowing all ages with negative test results.
Also the pithy PR statements are nice but meaningless when not accompanied by commitments to firm dates. For some places in Europe summer does not really start until schools let out at end of June (e.g. UK). That's a pretty short window for some us, as our schools are back in session the 2nd week in August. Yet another sign they clearly don't want families.
Apparently Iceland, Europe, etc. only want adult travelers. Kudos to Greece for allowing all ages with negative test results.
Also the pithy PR statements are nice but meaningless when not accompanied by commitments to firm dates. For some places in Europe summer does not really start until schools let out at end of June (e.g. UK). That's a pretty short window for some us, as our schools are back in session the 2nd week in August. Yet another sign they clearly don't want families.
Last edited by DL77; May 2, 2021 at 12:53 am