Travel to countries where everyone is vaccinated
Feb 19, 2021, 11:09 am
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The latest figures published in the last few days:
Covid vaccination tracker
For selected countries. Total doses given per 100 population*
Latest data Total doses given - Doses per 100 population
Israel 18 Feb 7,078,074 - 82
United Arab Emirates 18 Feb 5,373,730 - 54
United Kingdom 17 Feb 16,996,806 - 25
United States 18 Feb 57,737,767 - 17
Bahrain 18 Feb 263,422 -15
Serbia 17 Feb 945,989 - 14
Denmark 17 Feb 447,240 - 7.7
Greece 18 Feb 634,037 - 6.1
Portugal 18 Feb 578,702 - 5.7
EU-27 24,656,012 - 5.5
*This counts vaccine shots, not people, and vaccines have varying number of doses per person. So the data cannot be expressed as a percentage of population: it does not record how many people have been vaccinated.
Figures to 18 Feb, published 3pm, 19 Feb. Updated daily
Table: The Spectator (pjTIJ) Source: National governments, collated by Our World In Data Get the data Created with Datawrapper
I understand that herd immunity becomes relevant when some 2/3 of the population have appropriate antibodies (perhaps more, perhaps a little less). Antibodies and other immunities are held innately, after recovery from the disease and through vaccination. So, for example, it might be that 15% of the population has had COVID and a further 15% (different people) has been vaccinated. It's still a long way from herd immunity. But we're getting there, and quite fast in the case of wealthy countries. The big discussion that needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency is how to ensure that enough vaccine is available and administered in the rest of the world as much of the current effort will come to nought if they are not vaccinated and we can't develop global herd immunity.
An excellent source for this information is data.spectator.co.uk
Covid vaccination tracker
For selected countries. Total doses given per 100 population*
Latest data Total doses given - Doses per 100 population
Israel 18 Feb 7,078,074 - 82
United Arab Emirates 18 Feb 5,373,730 - 54
United Kingdom 17 Feb 16,996,806 - 25
United States 18 Feb 57,737,767 - 17
Bahrain 18 Feb 263,422 -15
Serbia 17 Feb 945,989 - 14
Denmark 17 Feb 447,240 - 7.7
Greece 18 Feb 634,037 - 6.1
Portugal 18 Feb 578,702 - 5.7
EU-27 24,656,012 - 5.5
*This counts vaccine shots, not people, and vaccines have varying number of doses per person. So the data cannot be expressed as a percentage of population: it does not record how many people have been vaccinated.
Figures to 18 Feb, published 3pm, 19 Feb. Updated daily
Table: The Spectator (pjTIJ) Source: National governments, collated by Our World In Data Get the data Created with Datawrapper
I understand that herd immunity becomes relevant when some 2/3 of the population have appropriate antibodies (perhaps more, perhaps a little less). Antibodies and other immunities are held innately, after recovery from the disease and through vaccination. So, for example, it might be that 15% of the population has had COVID and a further 15% (different people) has been vaccinated. It's still a long way from herd immunity. But we're getting there, and quite fast in the case of wealthy countries. The big discussion that needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency is how to ensure that enough vaccine is available and administered in the rest of the world as much of the current effort will come to nought if they are not vaccinated and we can't develop global herd immunity.
An excellent source for this information is data.spectator.co.uk
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Feb 19, 2021, 5:39 pm
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However their case numbers are only getting lower a little. Have to doubt when, if after all, the vaccine would really reduce community transmission.
Feb 19, 2021, 7:22 pm
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Their 7 day avg cases is down from 8000 cases a day on 1/19 to 3600 cases a day on 2/19, well over a 50% drop. There is a lag with reporting so in reality it's likely down more than that.
There's also this; https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN2AJ08J
There's also this; https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN2AJ08J
Feb 20, 2021, 3:47 am
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The latest figures published in the last few days:
Covid vaccination tracker
For selected countries. Total doses given per 100 population*
Latest data Total doses given - Doses per 100 population
Israel 18 Feb 7,078,074 - 82
United Arab Emirates 18 Feb 5,373,730 - 54
United Kingdom 17 Feb 16,996,806 - 25
United States 18 Feb 57,737,767 - 17
Bahrain 18 Feb 263,422 -15
Serbia 17 Feb 945,989 - 14
Denmark 17 Feb 447,240 - 7.7
Greece 18 Feb 634,037 - 6.1
Portugal 18 Feb 578,702 - 5.7
EU-27 24,656,012 - 5.5
*This counts vaccine shots, not people, and vaccines have varying number of doses per person. So the data cannot be expressed as a percentage of population: it does not record how many people have been vaccinated.
Figures to 18 Feb, published 3pm, 19 Feb. Updated daily
Table: The Spectator (pjTIJ) Source: National governments, collated by Our World In Data Get the data Created with Datawrapper
I understand that herd immunity becomes relevant when some 2/3 of the population have appropriate antibodies (perhaps more, perhaps a little less). Antibodies and other immunities are held innately, after recovery from the disease and through vaccination. So, for example, it might be that 15% of the population has had COVID and a further 15% (different people) has been vaccinated. It's still a long way from herd immunity. But we're getting there, and quite fast in the case of wealthy countries. The big discussion that needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency is how to ensure that enough vaccine is available and administered in the rest of the world as much of the current effort will come to nought if they are not vaccinated and we can't develop global herd immunity.
An excellent source for this information is data.spectator.co.uk
Covid vaccination tracker
For selected countries. Total doses given per 100 population*
Latest data Total doses given - Doses per 100 population
Israel 18 Feb 7,078,074 - 82
United Arab Emirates 18 Feb 5,373,730 - 54
United Kingdom 17 Feb 16,996,806 - 25
United States 18 Feb 57,737,767 - 17
Bahrain 18 Feb 263,422 -15
Serbia 17 Feb 945,989 - 14
Denmark 17 Feb 447,240 - 7.7
Greece 18 Feb 634,037 - 6.1
Portugal 18 Feb 578,702 - 5.7
EU-27 24,656,012 - 5.5
*This counts vaccine shots, not people, and vaccines have varying number of doses per person. So the data cannot be expressed as a percentage of population: it does not record how many people have been vaccinated.
Figures to 18 Feb, published 3pm, 19 Feb. Updated daily
Table: The Spectator (pjTIJ) Source: National governments, collated by Our World In Data Get the data Created with Datawrapper
I understand that herd immunity becomes relevant when some 2/3 of the population have appropriate antibodies (perhaps more, perhaps a little less). Antibodies and other immunities are held innately, after recovery from the disease and through vaccination. So, for example, it might be that 15% of the population has had COVID and a further 15% (different people) has been vaccinated. It's still a long way from herd immunity. But we're getting there, and quite fast in the case of wealthy countries. The big discussion that needs to be addressed as a matter of urgency is how to ensure that enough vaccine is available and administered in the rest of the world as much of the current effort will come to nought if they are not vaccinated and we can't develop global herd immunity.
An excellent source for this information is data.spectator.co.uk
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Here is vaccination per population:
Feb 20, 2021, 2:51 pm
#65
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Their 7 day avg cases is down from 8000 cases a day on 1/19 to 3600 cases a day on 2/19, well over a 50% drop. There is a lag with reporting so in reality it's likely down more than that.
There's also this; https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN2AJ08J
There's also this; https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSKBN2AJ08J
Feb 21, 2021, 12:50 am
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Israel is easing lockdown restrictions as studies there reveal the Pfizer vaccine is 95.8% effective in preventing hospitalisations and death.
- Israel has the highest vaccination rate in the world. More than 49% of people have received at least one dose. The country entered its third lockdown on 27 December after a resurgence of the virus. Under the easing measures, people are now able to enter shopping malls and tourist attractions such as zoos.
A number of other facilities are now able to reopen including gyms, hotels and synagogues. However they require a "green passport", a certificate that can only be obtained once you have been vaccinated. A small number of people who have recovered from the virus and are not currently eligible for the vaccine are also able to obtain the certificate. The passport, which is contained in an app, is issued by the health ministry and will be valid for six months, one week after the second dose.
Crowds are now allowed back at concerts and sporting events have reopened at 75% capacity but they have a cap of no more than 300 people inside and 500 outside. Despite the easing of restrictions, Israel's airport will remain closed for another two weeks. –
- Israel has the highest vaccination rate in the world. More than 49% of people have received at least one dose. The country entered its third lockdown on 27 December after a resurgence of the virus. Under the easing measures, people are now able to enter shopping malls and tourist attractions such as zoos.
A number of other facilities are now able to reopen including gyms, hotels and synagogues. However they require a "green passport", a certificate that can only be obtained once you have been vaccinated. A small number of people who have recovered from the virus and are not currently eligible for the vaccine are also able to obtain the certificate. The passport, which is contained in an app, is issued by the health ministry and will be valid for six months, one week after the second dose.
Crowds are now allowed back at concerts and sporting events have reopened at 75% capacity but they have a cap of no more than 300 people inside and 500 outside. Despite the easing of restrictions, Israel's airport will remain closed for another two weeks. –
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Feb 22, 2021, 7:18 am
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Yaah, right. Thailand is an example requiring 14 days quarantine even if you had vaccine. And here are talking about unvaccinated people.
Want honest opinion? Here it is - hope for best but prepare for worst.
Translation - unrestricted travel for the most .part of the world won’t return until late 2022.
yes, 2022, not 2021.
Want honest opinion? Here it is - hope for best but prepare for worst.
Translation - unrestricted travel for the most .part of the world won’t return until late 2022.
yes, 2022, not 2021.
Feb 22, 2021, 7:31 am
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I don't think unrestricted travel will return until many years, way pass 2022. People don't realize this virus is basically here to stay. Once they figure it out, that's when every country will advise the immunocompromised to stay at home while everyone else goes about their merry way.
The two together will make travel very difficult, with senseless hoops put in the way. We may long for vaccination passports to be in place but, when they are, the public will find some other way to discourage the politicians from opening up - whether it's existing strains of the virus being more prevalent in foreign countries or potential new strains emerging, or new viruses altogether. Just look at the knee jerk reactions a year ago, which have massively outlived any sense and should have been altered to reflect changing risks - but no, they are still in place.
Feb 22, 2021, 7:42 am
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The two together will make travel very difficult, with senseless hoops put in the way. We may long for vaccination passports to be in place but, when they are, the public will find some other way to discourage the politicians from opening up - whether it's existing strains of the virus being more prevalent in foreign countries or potential new strains emerging, or new viruses altogether. Just look at the knee jerk reactions a year ago, which have massively outlived any sense and should have been altered to reflect changing risks - but no, they are still in place.
No politician will dare to lift the restrictions while a substantial part of the electorate is for them. The fallout of even a hint in a potential spike in cases, related or unrelated to travel, would be the end of said politician, noone will take that chance.
Feb 22, 2021, 7:55 am
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I agree but for different reasons. Two major things have changed. First, voters have decided that they are not prepared to take as many risks with health as they used to: they have, in their own minds, changed where acceptable trade-offs may sit and this will mean that, whether or not it's justified, elected politicians will, for the foreseeable future, be much more careful in permitting activities which move near the borderline between health risk vs economic reward. Second, much of that avoidance of risk will be seen to arise from foreigners and the suspicion of foreigners will be the leading edge in the fight against disease.
The two together will make travel very difficult, with senseless hoops put in the way. We may long for vaccination passports to be in place but, when they are, the public will find some other way to discourage the politicians from opening up - whether it's existing strains of the virus being more prevalent in foreign countries or potential new strains emerging, or new viruses altogether. Just look at the knee jerk reactions a year ago, which have massively outlived any sense and should have been altered to reflect changing risks - but no, they are still in place.
The two together will make travel very difficult, with senseless hoops put in the way. We may long for vaccination passports to be in place but, when they are, the public will find some other way to discourage the politicians from opening up - whether it's existing strains of the virus being more prevalent in foreign countries or potential new strains emerging, or new viruses altogether. Just look at the knee jerk reactions a year ago, which have massively outlived any sense and should have been altered to reflect changing risks - but no, they are still in place.
Feb 22, 2021, 1:51 pm
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...First, voters have decided that they are not prepared to take as many risks with health as they used to: they have, in their own minds, changed where acceptable trade-offs may sit and this will mean that, whether or not it's justified, elected politicians will, for the foreseeable future, be much more careful in permitting activities which move near the borderline between health risk vs economic reward. Second, much of that avoidance of risk will be seen to arise from foreigners and the suspicion of foreigners will be the leading edge in the fight against disease.
What remains to be seen is how the lack of "interactive" dating affects long term population trends in the western world.
Feb 22, 2021, 2:07 pm
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We should keep in mind that reopenings will look different in different regions, so there is no universal answer.
Some countries are fairly isolated either because of their location (islands), or cultural reasons. For other countries, cross-border relations are essential. In places like Australia or the US, going abroad is a big deal, while in Europe going abroad can simply mean a short visit to your friend living 15 minutes drive from your home, commuting to your work or visiting a favourite restaurant. I have two other countries within 20 minutes drive from my home and third within one hour.
Attitudes, the public opinion and reopening progress will therefore be different. I can imagine those grey predictions above to become true in most of Asia and Oceania but I'm much more optimistic about Europe and Americas. And then there are countries that heavily rely on tourism, which are already reopening to some extent.
Some countries are fairly isolated either because of their location (islands), or cultural reasons. For other countries, cross-border relations are essential. In places like Australia or the US, going abroad is a big deal, while in Europe going abroad can simply mean a short visit to your friend living 15 minutes drive from your home, commuting to your work or visiting a favourite restaurant. I have two other countries within 20 minutes drive from my home and third within one hour.
Attitudes, the public opinion and reopening progress will therefore be different. I can imagine those grey predictions above to become true in most of Asia and Oceania but I'm much more optimistic about Europe and Americas. And then there are countries that heavily rely on tourism, which are already reopening to some extent.
Feb 23, 2021, 2:17 am
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They already have. It's called science and fact based decision making.
