Best place to spend winter during a potential second wave of COVID?
Jul 28, 2020, 11:28 am
#91
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Problem with Thailand is the visa restrictions, 30 day visa and then you have to leave the country and re enter. Lately Thai's have not been all that friendly they are seeing tourist as a threat and the ones carrying the virus in their country. Some of my friends who are expats say everything is shut down and its terribly boring.
Hawaii is your safest bet, they are handling the pandemic pretty well. Only you would need to quarantine for 14 days when you arrive. Lots of vacation rentals, they are not allowed to rent short term but they can rent long term, some good deals out there on all the islands.
Hawaii is your safest bet, they are handling the pandemic pretty well. Only you would need to quarantine for 14 days when you arrive. Lots of vacation rentals, they are not allowed to rent short term but they can rent long term, some good deals out there on all the islands.
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Jul 28, 2020, 11:38 am
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Jul 28, 2020, 11:51 am
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Just pick a country that you will feel comfortable spending 1-2 months in the ICU, if it comes to that, God forbid. If you get covid, I don’t think there will be flights in and out or evacuation flights to the hospital system or country of your choice. You will probably be stuck there, for better or worse. And then think who will be there to help you, what access to family or friends you may have for assistance.
Anything can happen while travelling- car crashes, heart attacks, etc. If I based such decisions on the worst case scenario, I would never have been to half the places I've been to.
The factors I will be considering for my winter destinations in the event of a significant second wave are:
Accessibility and ease of escape in the event of lockdown
Level of freedom and quality of life
Climate
Cost of living
At the moment, Greece and Malta are winning if long haul is off the table. If things get really bad, I'll just drive up to Sweden and to the devil with the weather.
Jul 28, 2020, 12:22 pm
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Other social media are starting to seriously crack down on anti scientific and hurtful messages with bans of posters. They do understand those bad advices are truly hurtful to society.
Jul 28, 2020, 12:27 pm
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"Anything can happen while travelling- car crashes, heart attacks, etc. If I based such decisions on the worst case scenario, I would never have been to half the places I've been to."
Or even safer, just stay at home, avoid public transport and drive everywhere?
Let's take a look.
According to New York City statistics, a bit less than 5 percent of those who died of Covid there in the spring were 64 or under with no health issues, or it wasn't determined whether they had health issues (303/6839). At the present U.S. death rate of about 50,000 per month, that suggests around 2,500 deaths fall into the under-65-with-no-health-problems group.
U.S. traffic deaths run something over 3,100 per month. About 83 percent of the U.S. population is under 65, so let's just say we have about that proportion of traffic deaths -- 2,500 -- in our cohort of under 65s, healthy or not.
That is, for those in that group, mortality from Covid, even in the U.S. with its current high infection rate, poses about the same risk as mortality from auto accidents.
Of course these are back-of-the-envelope sorts of calculations, as are the statistics, and can be nitpicked to death. But rough as they are, they do suggest the sort of limited risk that healthy under-65s are taking when they decide to travel. Or just stay at home, safe in their cars.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-population/
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/
Or even safer, just stay at home, avoid public transport and drive everywhere?
Let's take a look.
According to New York City statistics, a bit less than 5 percent of those who died of Covid there in the spring were 64 or under with no health issues, or it wasn't determined whether they had health issues (303/6839). At the present U.S. death rate of about 50,000 per month, that suggests around 2,500 deaths fall into the under-65-with-no-health-problems group.
U.S. traffic deaths run something over 3,100 per month. About 83 percent of the U.S. population is under 65, so let's just say we have about that proportion of traffic deaths -- 2,500 -- in our cohort of under 65s, healthy or not.
That is, for those in that group, mortality from Covid, even in the U.S. with its current high infection rate, poses about the same risk as mortality from auto accidents.
Of course these are back-of-the-envelope sorts of calculations, as are the statistics, and can be nitpicked to death. But rough as they are, they do suggest the sort of limited risk that healthy under-65s are taking when they decide to travel. Or just stay at home, safe in their cars.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-population/
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/
Jul 28, 2020, 12:54 pm
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Jul 28, 2020, 1:01 pm
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I realise that different people have different levels of risk tolerance, but choosing a country based on this is a step too far for me. Whilst the risk does of course exist, it is for the vast majority of people still very small.
Anything can happen while travelling- car crashes, heart attacks, etc. If I based such decisions on the worst case scenario, I would never have been to half the places I've been to.
The factors I will be considering for my winter destinations in the event of a significant second wave are:
Accessibility and ease of escape in the event of lockdown
Level of freedom and quality of life
Climate
Cost of living
At the moment, Greece and Malta are winning if long haul is off the table. If things get really bad, I'll just drive up to Sweden and to the devil with the weather.
Anything can happen while travelling- car crashes, heart attacks, etc. If I based such decisions on the worst case scenario, I would never have been to half the places I've been to.
The factors I will be considering for my winter destinations in the event of a significant second wave are:
Accessibility and ease of escape in the event of lockdown
Level of freedom and quality of life
Climate
Cost of living
At the moment, Greece and Malta are winning if long haul is off the table. If things get really bad, I'll just drive up to Sweden and to the devil with the weather.
I agree that people have different considerations and criteria making these decisions, which could include individual characteristics, needs, and preferences. This is going to be a daunting task to be fully comprehensive, but to your list I would add:
1. Access to health care and quality of health care
2. Access to social support system, in case of emergencies
3. Infrastructure for working remotely
4. Ease of legalities for staying and moving in and out of the country
5. Effectiveness of the country in preventing and handling an outbreak.
6. Ability to self-isolate, if needed, while maintaining quality of life (this could be person and environment related)
7. Quality of life in the event of a lockdown
I guess many of these may not matter if the plan is to leave the country if things starting going bad, however this may not be possible in the event of a lockdown or infection with covid.
Jul 28, 2020, 1:04 pm
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"Anything can happen while travelling- car crashes, heart attacks, etc. If I based such decisions on the worst case scenario, I would never have been to half the places I've been to."
Or even safer, just stay at home, avoid public transport and drive everywhere?
Let's take a look.
According to New York City statistics, a bit less than 5 percent of those who died of Covid there in the spring were 64 or under with no health issues, or it wasn't determined whether they had health issues (303/6839). At the present U.S. death rate of about 50,000 per month, that suggests around 2,500 deaths fall into the under-65-with-no-health-problems group.
U.S. traffic deaths run something over 3,100 per month. About 83 percent of the U.S. population is under 65, so let's just say we have about that proportion of traffic deaths -- 2,500 -- in our cohort of under 65s, healthy or not.
That is, for those in that group, mortality from Covid, even in the U.S. with its current high infection rate, poses about the same risk as mortality from auto accidents.
Of course these are back-of-the-envelope sorts of calculations, as are the statistics, and can be nitpicked to death. But rough as they are, they do suggest the sort of limited risk that healthy under-65s are taking when they decide to travel. Or just stay at home, safe in their cars.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-population/
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/
Or even safer, just stay at home, avoid public transport and drive everywhere?
Let's take a look.
According to New York City statistics, a bit less than 5 percent of those who died of Covid there in the spring were 64 or under with no health issues, or it wasn't determined whether they had health issues (303/6839). At the present U.S. death rate of about 50,000 per month, that suggests around 2,500 deaths fall into the under-65-with-no-health-problems group.
U.S. traffic deaths run something over 3,100 per month. About 83 percent of the U.S. population is under 65, so let's just say we have about that proportion of traffic deaths -- 2,500 -- in our cohort of under 65s, healthy or not.
That is, for those in that group, mortality from Covid, even in the U.S. with its current high infection rate, poses about the same risk as mortality from auto accidents.
Of course these are back-of-the-envelope sorts of calculations, as are the statistics, and can be nitpicked to death. But rough as they are, they do suggest the sort of limited risk that healthy under-65s are taking when they decide to travel. Or just stay at home, safe in their cars.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-population/
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/
Of course, for many, another consideration is the risk of being locked down in their home countries.
Jul 28, 2020, 1:05 pm
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In the event of a second lockdown, the only place I would want to be is at home.
Jul 28, 2020, 1:40 pm
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First, in reference to various posts, we are not judging anyone in this thread, if anything, this is a quintessential FT thread for these times, where to travel to hunker down for the virus.
I agree that people have different considerations and criteria making these decisions, which could include individual characteristics, needs, and preferences. This is going to be a daunting task to be fully comprehensive, but to your list I would add:
1. Access to health care and quality of health care
2. Access to social support system, in case of emergencies
3. Infrastructure for working remotely
4. Ease of legalities for staying and moving in and out of the country
5. Effectiveness of the country in preventing and handling an outbreak.
6. Ability to self-isolate, if needed, while maintaining quality of life (this could be person and environment related)
7. Quality of life in the event of a lockdown
I guess many of these may not matter if the plan is to leave the country if things starting going bad, however this may not be possible in the event of a lockdown or infection with covid.
I agree that people have different considerations and criteria making these decisions, which could include individual characteristics, needs, and preferences. This is going to be a daunting task to be fully comprehensive, but to your list I would add:
1. Access to health care and quality of health care
2. Access to social support system, in case of emergencies
3. Infrastructure for working remotely
4. Ease of legalities for staying and moving in and out of the country
5. Effectiveness of the country in preventing and handling an outbreak.
6. Ability to self-isolate, if needed, while maintaining quality of life (this could be person and environment related)
7. Quality of life in the event of a lockdown
I guess many of these may not matter if the plan is to leave the country if things starting going bad, however this may not be possible in the event of a lockdown or infection with covid.
Everything depends on a person's own preferences, and people are going to have very different ideas of what works for them.
Jul 28, 2020, 2:28 pm
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I've been looking into Hawaii. They hate the mainlanders & have proven ready to take extreme measures to keep potential carriers out. Domestic USA infrastructure like online shopping is helpful. Europeans can enter by spending 2 weeks in a white listed country (Mexico, Turkey, etc).
AirBNB has some properties, but I haven't found sites geared at long term rentals.
AirBNB has some properties, but I haven't found sites geared at long term rentals.
Jul 29, 2020, 5:04 am
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Yes I think second waves are unlikely in these places. The worst cases now are in places that locked down way too early and have next to no exposure.
Jul 29, 2020, 5:05 am
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As an EU citizen probably the best place is the Azores as E111 will cover your healthcare- currently COVID 19 free and easy for that to be controlled as remote island with limited flights in to one airport. Great weather even in winter and scenery great. Various isles to visit and cost of living very reasonable. Why think of anywhere else.
Jul 29, 2020, 5:06 am
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As I mention in my message the Azores stands out in the EU, COVID free and good weather through winter.
Jul 29, 2020, 5:14 am
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As an EU citizen probably the best place is the Azores as E111 will cover your healthcare- currently COVID 19 free and easy for that to be controlled as remote island with limited flights in to one airport. Great weather even in winter and scenery great. Various isles to visit and cost of living very reasonable. Why think of anywhere else.