US Citizens Returning from International Travel
Aug 6, 2020, 3:27 pm
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Is there any chance that JFK (and potentially EWR) are changing rules for international travel given the changes in rules for domestic travel?
Flying next week back to JFK from AMS and want to understand what the impact is... I understand there's a temp and health check and a form, and a recommended quarantine, but anything more?
Thanks!
Flying next week back to JFK from AMS and want to understand what the impact is... I understand there's a temp and health check and a form, and a recommended quarantine, but anything more?
Thanks!
Aug 6, 2020, 9:16 pm
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And more recently, but still pre-pandemic.
A Dallas-born citizen picked up by the Border Patrol has been detained for three weeks, his lawyer says
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immi...s-lawyer-says/
A Dallas-born citizen picked up by the Border Patrol has been detained for three weeks, his lawyer says
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immi...s-lawyer-says/
Aug 6, 2020, 11:35 pm
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This doesn't really seem to be a relevant comparison - the person in question was detained because they entered the US on a Mexican passport with US visa and then overstayed. US citizens are required to enter the US on the basis of their US citizenship (e.g. passport, birth certificate, etc.).
I would say it isn't the most common scenario but it also illustrates how Mexicans are treated differently. They are guilty until proven innocent in these citizenship cases, and even when proven citizens CBP needs some court to mandate it to follow the law before it does anything.
Aug 7, 2020, 2:58 am
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This is correct for any US citizen. Even if you have dual or multiple nationalities, to enter the US you must use your US passport. Or more to the point, you cannot enter the US using one of your other passports. Many Europeans have been sent home due to this rule. One of the most famous incidents was UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson back when he was Mayor of London.
Aug 7, 2020, 3:06 am
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You mean ‘many Americans sent back to Europe’ surely.
Aug 7, 2020, 7:09 am
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This is correct for any US citizen. Even if you have dual or multiple nationalities, to enter the US you must use your US passport. Or more to the point, you cannot enter the US using one of your other passports. Many Europeans have been sent home due to this rule. One of the most famous incidents was UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson back when he was Mayor of London.
A US national cannot be denied entry to the US (common to almost all nations). But, that does not obviate the issues presented when one arrives documented as a national of another country. One is then treated as a national of that country until and unless one's US nationality can be established.
Aug 7, 2020, 9:32 am
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Aug 7, 2020, 12:07 pm
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Aug 8, 2020, 4:49 pm
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Back when I was a public defender, I represented a natural born US citizen who ICE tried to deport three damn times. The first two time he was in prison and ICE placed holds on him. The first time was at least a month, long enough that he wanted to self-deport, but thankfully a immigration judge spoke to him before he waved anything. Second time was maybe a week or so.
People may say that he shouldn't have broken the law, but a American citizen who's done his time has a right to go the hell home.
The third time, when I had him, he was arrested for literal ........, the DA was prepared to dismiss, but he already had an immigration hold. He had told the ICE agent he was a USC and they accused him of lying. We had to keep him in custody a day so I could get him his birth certificate. He still had to spend a night in ICE custody, which is a night too long for a US citizen to spend in ICE custody.
FWIW, my Canadian/American dual citizen aunt has crossed the border a few times on her Canadian passport and gets nothing but a scolding.
People may say that he shouldn't have broken the law, but a American citizen who's done his time has a right to go the hell home.
The third time, when I had him, he was arrested for literal ........, the DA was prepared to dismiss, but he already had an immigration hold. He had told the ICE agent he was a USC and they accused him of lying. We had to keep him in custody a day so I could get him his birth certificate. He still had to spend a night in ICE custody, which is a night too long for a US citizen to spend in ICE custody.
FWIW, my Canadian/American dual citizen aunt has crossed the border a few times on her Canadian passport and gets nothing but a scolding.
Aug 9, 2020, 1:29 pm
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Just a follow up on my friends situation. They traveled through Preclearance with no issues. At CBP, mentioned she was US citizen and was sent into secondary. IO laughed they had no passport (Covid and all); looked something up in the system (that was so quick by the time they sat down it was completed), and wished them a safe flight. Did not need to see Naturalization Cert either.
Aug 10, 2020, 4:57 pm
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This thread combines two entirely different concepts:
1. US nationals have a constitutional right to enter the US. The pandemic has never precluded any US national from entry. Similarly, LPR's and certain family members have been exempted from various orders.
2. None of this has anything to do with quarantine and what that involves.
Roughly the same equivalent exists for most countries, especially in Europe, e.g. citizens and those with a residence permit (whatever it may be called) are admissible, but may be subject to quarantine. Again, what constitutes quarantine will differ.
Rather than broad-based statements, the easiest effort is to run the specific parameters which apply to you though TIMATIC. That will display an accurate result for today (which may change tomorrow). If you want certainty, don't plan or book travel until the day you plan to leave.
1. US nationals have a constitutional right to enter the US. The pandemic has never precluded any US national from entry. Similarly, LPR's and certain family members have been exempted from various orders.
2. None of this has anything to do with quarantine and what that involves.
Roughly the same equivalent exists for most countries, especially in Europe, e.g. citizens and those with a residence permit (whatever it may be called) are admissible, but may be subject to quarantine. Again, what constitutes quarantine will differ.
Rather than broad-based statements, the easiest effort is to run the specific parameters which apply to you though TIMATIC. That will display an accurate result for today (which may change tomorrow). If you want certainty, don't plan or book travel until the day you plan to leave.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/10/w...#link-62ce7b25
Aug 10, 2020, 7:19 pm
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There's an article in the New York times that indicates that there's a draft regulation coming from the White House that US Citizens and US Legal Residents can be blocked/banned from entering the US if they are "suspected" of having the coronavirus.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/10/w...l#link-15c585d
Please move to correct thread
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/10/w...l#link-15c585d
Please move to correct thread
Aug 11, 2020, 5:48 am
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Back on topic, I recently returned from Europe and had a painless arrival experience. I had filled out the CDC form on the plane and just handed it to the officer who was waiting just past the jet bridge. No mention of quarantine or anything, but they did a temperature check. I had taken a PCR test a few days earlier anyways but nobody asked to see my negative results.
Aug 11, 2020, 6:55 am
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Looks like this may be changing for US Citizens. Will those of us abroad face a stateless future?
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/10/w...#link-62ce7b25
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/10/w...#link-62ce7b25
I do suspect that this will result in carriers imposing testing and other requirements just as many governments / carriers have done in Portugal & ME.