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EU promises “We will have a summer tourist season” [for travellers from Europe]

EU promises “We will have a summer tourist season” [for travellers from Europe]

 
Old Jun 3, 2020, 11:44 am
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Originally Posted by wco81
They didn't get it on the flight, probably got infected about a week before boarding the flight, given the incubation period.

Would be interesting to know how many were symptomatic.
No only that, but how many of the current passengers testing negative become positive over the next 7 days?

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Yes - but the whole plane was quarantined. If one person is found to be infected, then everybody else goes into mandatory quarantine for 7 days.
I would not like to bet my vacation on a plane load of fellow passengers testing negative for the corona virus. All you need is one positive and, unless you are planning a vacation of longer that 1 week, you get to spend it in a quarantine hotel. I could do that at home for much less cost.

Of course, I would also need very good insurance in case I am hospitalized or worse, need to be evacuated back home due to severe illness.in case I contract the disease.

I like to gamble, but those stakes are just too dear for me
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Old Jun 3, 2020, 11:45 am
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Thing I wonder is, there have been concerns raised here in the US about gatherings and crowding in some public spaces like churches, parks and beaches, ever since the start of warm, sunny weather, starting about a month ago, on Mother's Day.

Then you had Memorial Day Weekend about 2 weeks ago and now for the past week, all the protests with large crowds in many cities.

People are bracing for possible spikes but hoping they don't materialize.


IIRC, Europe has also had crowding in beaches and parks in the past month. Yet looks like most EU countries are opening their borders to other EU and Schengen nations in the next week or two. Maybe some spikes will still cause countries to modify or reverse some of these plans to reopen their borders.
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Old Jun 3, 2020, 3:41 pm
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Originally Posted by The_Bouncer
Austria reopening borders with Germany, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia and Czechia tomorrow, with no quarantine or testing requirement. The Italian border will remain closed.
Austria to Open Borders with 7 Countries, But Not with Italy | Frequent Business Traveler

That’s good news. Every travel bubble will undoubtedly expand (and contract as necessary) as time goes on.
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Old Jun 3, 2020, 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by janwillem
Just now the Dutch PM announced:

- Dutch travel advisory for most European countries will change from orange (only essential trips) to yellow (ok to travel but some risks), from June 15 or a bit later for some countries. Travelers from those countries welcome in the Netherlands
- UK and Sweden excluded, will remain orange for the time being and travelers from those countries are also not welcome yet in the Netherlands and quarantine needed
- Outside of Europe will remain orange
i am confused by this. Up until now, travellers from the UK were allowed in with a health declaration and we're advised to quarantine but it is not mandatory. I assume this would still apply since the external travel ban doesn't apply to the UK? Ie if someone from the UK arrives they'd still be allowed in since the Netherlands never imposed a border entry ban from within Europe?
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Old Jun 3, 2020, 4:36 pm
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Portugal is the only EU country, with flights from here. Nowhere else is commencing until Mid July.

Why is that?
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Old Jun 3, 2020, 7:10 pm
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Originally Posted by Owenc
Portugal is the only EU country, with flights from here. Nowhere else is commencing until Mid July.

Why is that?
I'm not sure what you are referring to as 'from here' and thus what airline, but much of the Portuguese economy relies on the UK visitors to the Algarve. The rest of us Europeans tend to go to the cities. Lisbon is one of the top meeting destinations in Europe, but those and all summer festivals have been cancelled. That means that the tourism industry is very hard hit after several years of record growth. They have to do whatever they can to try and recover the few months left of the season, as most hotels were closed until now and many still not open. All related businesses too are really suffering.

Even with a very low ICU to population ratio for Europe, Portugal managed this well. However, this is having a significant impact on a large percentage of the population as one of their primary industries will struggle to regain some business this summer.

In short, they are hoping the Brits return to the Algarve quickly, and the rest of us back to Lisbon and Porto.
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Old Jun 3, 2020, 9:00 pm
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Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
looks like a grey area; what if you have separate tickets and spend the night/ a few days in Germany ?

it doesn’t say there you aren’t allowed to be in the red zone country for 14 days prior to coming to Greece !
If we parse words, originate from and arrive from could have different meanings, with arrive referring to the transit airport and originate meaning the first airport on (that direction of) the ticket, essentially as an airline would use the word origin.

ADDED: I don't see how requiring a test to apply for a visa would help at all, unless it's a reliable antibody test and we have some evidence (if not proof) that antibodies imply some degree of immunity.

Also, if quarantine is required or is a risk, having the destination government pay for the designated hotel, F&B, etc. doesn't solve the problem in that I've carefully selected the hotel where I *want* to stay and use the facilities. Chances are that my cancellation period has passed even on refundable reservations (which are unlikely to be available for example in Greece during high season, where the norm is to require a substantial nonrefundable deposit if not full prepayment in advance of arrival). Also I'm unlikely to be happy about F&B provided for free to quarantine victims. Making it free doesn't solve the problem at all IMO unless it's free in a hotel of *my* choosing and I have carte blanche to order exactly the F&B *I* want fro at east any of the hotels restaurants via room service.

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Old Jun 3, 2020, 9:28 pm
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Originally Posted by exbayern
I'm not sure what you are referring to as 'from here' and thus what airline, but much of the Portuguese economy relies on the UK visitors to the Algarve. The rest of us Europeans tend to go to the cities. Lisbon is one of the top meeting destinations in Europe, but those and all summer festivals have been cancelled. That means that the tourism industry is very hard hit after several years of record growth. They have to do whatever they can to try and recover the few months left of the season, as most hotels were closed until now and many still not open. All related businesses too are really suffering.

Even with a very low ICU to population ratio for Europe, Portugal managed this well. However, this is having a significant impact on a large percentage of the population as one of their primary industries will struggle to regain some business this summer.

In short, they are hoping the Brits return to the Algarve quickly, and the rest of us back to Lisbon and Porto.
Yes, I know and I feel bad for them. It’s a beautiful country, I hope they don’t put their people in jeopardy for tourism.
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Old Jun 4, 2020, 7:12 am
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It seems like more and more people in Sweden are getting stir-crazy over the growing realization that they will be amongst the least desired tourists within the EU/Schengen area during the peak Swedish summer vacation period and that cheap international trips by road, boat and plane are going to be less available for Sweden than for tourists from neighboring nations during this time. A lot of people in Sweden who had been rather quiet about the coronavirus situation in Sweden (or otherwise supportive of what Sweden had done with this virus situation) have started to shift gears and direction now that it costs them vacation opportunities.
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Old Jun 4, 2020, 7:22 am
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Originally Posted by Owenc
Portugal is the only EU country, with flights from here. Nowhere else is commencing until Mid July.

Why is that?
Portugal have a huge diaspora in Europe. France, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Germany, etc.. All of those countries have many portuguese working there and needing flights to their homeland.

Also, lots of retirees from the above countries live in Portugal and need flights to their homeland.

Not so much tourism related actually.

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It seems like more and more people in Sweden are getting stir-crazy over the growing realization that they will be amongst the least desired tourists within the EU/Schengen area during the peak Swedish summer vacation period and that cheap international trips by road, boat and plane are going to be less available for Sweden than for tourists from neighboring nations during this time. A lot of people in Sweden who had been rather quiet about the coronavirus situation in Sweden (or otherwise supportive of what Sweden had done with this virus situation) have started to shift gears and direction now that it costs them vacation opportunities.
I can empathize with their stir-crazy feelings. What do Swedes seem to be thinking about non-Swedish travelers coming in to Sweden this summer?
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Old Jun 4, 2020, 8:11 am
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Originally Posted by 84fiero
I can empathize with their stir-crazy feelings. What do Swedes seem to be thinking about non-Swedish travelers coming in to Sweden this summer?
Interesting question. I am seriously considering spending a couple of months up there if my work situation doesn't improve pretty dramatically in the next few weeks.
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Old Jun 4, 2020, 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by 84fiero
I can empathize with their stir-crazy feelings. What do Swedes seem to be thinking about non-Swedish travelers coming in to Sweden this summer?
Mostly still fine with whatever their government/bureaucracy allows for travel into Sweden, but there seems to be growing annoyance about:

1) the lack of reciprocity from other countries: and
2) the Swedish government’s foreign travel warnings (which put at risk most travel insurance coverage for most Swedes with Swedish insurance coverage); and
3) advisory to not travel more than 2 hours by road from home.

And all this while there have been at least two days within the last 20 days where so many Danish tourists had come to Sweden that it caused 1.5-4 mile long traffic jams on the Danish-bound side of the bridge connecting the two countries when they all wanted to head home from their trip to/via Sweden.

In Sweden, there is no noticeable gain in general anti-foreign tourist sentiment aimed at tourists, in as far as I can tell.

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Old Jun 4, 2020, 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by IstKong
Portugal have a huge diaspora in Europe. France, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Germany, etc.. All of those countries have many portuguese working there and needing flights to their homeland.

Also, lots of retirees from the above countries live in Portugal and need flights to their homeland.

Not so much tourism related actually.
Spain too, and many of the people from Portugal who are working abroad are employed in the hospitality industry.

There are also a lot of university students studying elsewhere in (mostly western) Europe, plus academic faculty and researchers. In principle, EU faculty positions have been open equally to other EU nationals for decades and language requirements have been disappearing too. [The reality of this differs by country and other specifics.]
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Old Jun 4, 2020, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by IstKong
Portugal have a huge diaspora in Europe. France, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Germany, etc.. All of those countries have many portuguese working there and needing flights to their homeland.

Also, lots of retirees from the above countries live in Portugal and need flights to their homeland.

Not so much tourism related actually.
There are actually in Paris and in London I think some of the largest concentrations of Portuguese. I'm not sure how many of those are actually flying back and forth regularly (I know some) as many have become quite established in their new homelands. However there was certainly enough demand from the UK for airlines like Jet2 to be offering flights from around the country. I am always amazed when I am at LIS and someone from the UK tells me that they have a holiday home in the Algarve, have come for every season for years, and then ask 'is Lisbon nice?'. Most of the urban tourism is definitely not coming from the UK.

There was already a concern that Brexit would significantly impact tourism. Germans are fickle, and the hot spots for German tourists tend to change every few years. German tourism already dropped, although Lufthansa put flights into OPO already in May as one of their first rebuilding destinations as they saw strong demand for LIS.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/08/02/...er-brits-visit

But I believe that this tangent was started by a poster from the UK asking about why there would be flights from the UK to Portugal, which seems quite obvious.
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