UK arrivals - pre-departure, quarantine and post-arrival [currently no requirements]
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#3631
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I too have asked this question and was told is because Canadians don't want to travel to UK. Isn't it England's call to determine who comes in their country right?! Just because Canadians don't want to travel to the UK why is the UK coloring them red when other green countries are so much worse? Still doesn't make sense.
Essentially at this point it’s Canada’s call.

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The man in question had a positive test, although I can't find any information about whether he had symptoms or why he had taken a test. Do you need to self-isolate while waiting for test results?
On my recent entries through Heathrow I saw about a third of passengers using paper forms, even though the majority of them had phones out texting while waiting for the egates... I suppose some of them may have submitted it electronically then printed a paper copy.
If you have a paper form it seems to me that there is no record at all as nobody collects it nor is there a place to leave them at the airport.
On my recent entries through Heathrow I saw about a third of passengers using paper forms, even though the majority of them had phones out texting while waiting for the egates... I suppose some of them may have submitted it electronically then printed a paper copy.
If you have a paper form it seems to me that there is no record at all as nobody collects it nor is there a place to leave them at the airport.
Regards paper forms I have seen one airline hand them out to passengers to fill manually. These were then not collected at arrival in Bristol so none of these peoples details would ever have reached PHE. Its all done as a show to be 'seen to be doing something'.

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Which is what I do. At those times when HAL or the Border Force are trying to separate passengers, waving a printed version gets you through quickly. As far as I know there isn't a printed version that can be filled in, and the guidance is clear that it's a purely online process.

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It was in the news yesterday that the police in Scotland have made several hundred house visits to check up on the quarantine.

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Indeed, this is logical as (for most people not in key professions) you should only be seeking a (non-private) test under current guidance if you are displaying symptoms consistent with COVID or have other good reason to think you might have it.

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Indeed, in Scotland, some professions (such as teachers) are allowed on demand tests regardless of symptoms. I know some teachers going for weekly tests now that schools are back here. I don't think this is allowed in England or Wales.

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I’m not sure who told you that, but it’s not the case. All the information in this thread says it’s because the Canadian government doesn’t want its citizens travelling - so it may not be actively stopping them, as is the case in Australia, but it doesn’t want to enter into any other agreement which might encourage it. Given the fairly close relationship between the countries it’s not surprising the UK government is acquiescing to this.
Essentially at this point it’s Canada’s call.
Essentially at this point it’s Canada’s call.
I am not saying what you wrote is not true, I am just wondering what the logic would be behind the Canadian government not entering into an agreement, if there is one with the UK but it allowing its citizens to enter other European countries as well as Mexico, Jamaica and others.
There are strict re-entry rules for everyone coming back anyway and while I don't have any personal experience yet, my understanding from others is that it is a strict 14 day self isolation period.
Just like many other rules all over the world, it somehow doesn't make sense and again please know that I am not saying your statement is wrong as there are so many things right now taking place which don't always make sense.


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If that is the case, why then are we allowed to enter Germany, Switzerland, Greece and quite a few other countries without restrictions?
I am not saying what you wrote is not true, I am just wondering what the logic would be behind the Canadian government not entering into an agreement, if there is one with the UK but it allowing its citizens to enter other European countries as well as Mexico, Jamaica and others.
There are strict re-entry rules for everyone coming back anyway and while I don't have any personal experience yet, my understanding from others is that it is a strict 14 day self isolation period.
Just like many other rules all over the world, it somehow doesn't make sense and again please know that I am not saying your statement is wrong as there are so many things right now taking place which don't always make sense.
I am not saying what you wrote is not true, I am just wondering what the logic would be behind the Canadian government not entering into an agreement, if there is one with the UK but it allowing its citizens to enter other European countries as well as Mexico, Jamaica and others.
There are strict re-entry rules for everyone coming back anyway and while I don't have any personal experience yet, my understanding from others is that it is a strict 14 day self isolation period.
Just like many other rules all over the world, it somehow doesn't make sense and again please know that I am not saying your statement is wrong as there are so many things right now taking place which don't always make sense.

From a pure infection rate viewpoint - absolutely, it makes no sense at all. The political/friendship/partnership angle is a very different one, and inevitably some of these decisions will have a political angle to some degree or other. This one smacks of a mutual back scratching exercise - the UK appears tough and in control, the Canadian administration gets some of the restrictions it wants without having to take responsibility for them.
It’s a win-win for everyone except the citizens.

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Which is what I do. At those times when HAL or the Border Force are trying to separate passengers, waving a printed version gets you through quickly. As far as I know there isn't a printed version that can be filled in, and the guidance is clear that it's a purely online process.

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Maybe more apt examples would be Australia and New Zealand which are more similar to Canada from that point of view, but New Zealand and Australia at the time the first exemption lists were decided had such low incidence that it would have been crazy not to exempt them, whilst Canada was more borderline with important numbers in a couple of places (like Melbourne in Oz now, so if that had been the case in late June, I'm not sure Australia would have been exempted).

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you do have the ability to enter several addresses, so if there is a possibility you need to move while isolating then you should declare that
you also supply a mobile number, and you need to supply a phone number of someone who can contact you if the contact tracers cannot contact you
lets not forget, this is not just to check that you are quarantining, but to allow you to be contacted in the event someone who was near you on your flight subsequently tests positive. it is in you and your loved ones interest that they can do this!
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I'm pretty certain that HMG approached HMG-GsM and said "would you have a preference to put you on the travel corridor list?". And the reply from Ottowa was "we have no opinion but we're not encouraging travel". I've had dealings with Anglo-Canuck relations for some 40 years and I've never known them as deep as now. So there is no way the existing set-up is contrary to Ottowa's preferences. And as soon as Canada says it actually wants to be on the list then it will be. After all St.-Pierre and Miquelon has been exempt since the start of the scheme.

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You can indeed put in multiple addresses, with dates on them but frankly the telephone number is what matters. You cannot amend an existing form after pressing Submit, but you can amend the form by simply submitting it a second time from scratch, with the changed information. In reality, if there was a good reason for not being at the declared address then you wouldn't get into trouble for that, it's about doing the right thing more than filling in the right form.

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The political/friendship/partnership angle is a very different one, and inevitably some of these decisions will have a political angle to some degree or other. This one smacks of a mutual back scratching exercise - the UK appears tough and in control, the Canadian administration gets some of the restrictions it wants without having to take responsibility for them.
It’s a win-win for everyone except the citizens.
It’s a win-win for everyone except the citizens.
Who knows what is going on behind closed doors when governments talk to each other, making this kind of decisions and having some transparency would certainly go a long way as long reasoning is logical and makes sense.
