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Non judgmental question: Why are there still people flying?

Old Apr 14, 20, 5:24 am
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Non judgmental question: Why are there still people flying?

On April 12, the TSA screened 90,510 passengers in the US. It was 2.4 million on that day one year ago. It has been over a month since the European travel ban, and subsequent COVID related trip cancellations. So why are some people still flying?

I’m curious about what are examples of “essential” travel, given that most people are under stay at home orders and most business related travel has been cut.

Does anyone on this forum still fly, and why? Or do you know someone that is still actively flying?
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Old Apr 14, 20, 5:26 am
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My brother flew to see my father before he died.

Given that professional wrestling soap operas and liquor stores have been deemed “essential“, hopefully that’s acceptable.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 5:44 am
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Originally Posted by FlyRiveria View Post
I’m curious about what are examples of “essential” travel, given that most people are under stay at home orders and most business related travel has been cut.
How about troop movement? Business related travel has been cut, but not governmental.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 5:57 am
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Old Apr 14, 20, 6:26 am
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Medical professionals needed in critical demand areas.

Infrastructure specialists needed to keep critically functioning areas operating (think nuclear power plant specialists as an example).

There are still people who need to go from A to B. It is one of the reasons why the Cares Act required airlines to maintain skeleton service to cities as part of the financial relief to airlines.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 8:40 am
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There are engineering / technical skills that are required in different places.

i was part of a global response and troubleshooting team with depot level air traffic control engineering and maintenance skills. Though ATC has a lot of redundancy, e.g. while one transmitter or receiver section is operating the other is in a “warm” standby condition to take over, there are times breakdowns occur that exceed local capacity to address. Even though there’s redundancy, that broken section needs to be up and capable of running stat. Our response region included western USA, Pacific and Asia. We were on two hour alert to deploy anywhere, by the most expeditious transport available, military or commercial. When we were called out, passengers, baggage and cargo might be bumped for our team, tools and spares. Three years of that taught me a lot about travel, packing, jet lag (we had no time to indulge it), etc.

There are plenty of professions with parallels.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 8:47 am
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When we were called out, passengers, baggage and cargo might be bumped for our team, tools and spares.
So it was YOU!!!

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Old Apr 14, 20, 9:23 am
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Originally Posted by CPRich View Post
My brother flew to see my father before he died.

Given that professional wrestling soap operas and liquor stores have been deemed “essential“, hopefully that’s acceptable.
In MN, landscaping service and fishing (including for sport or as a hobby, not just commercial fishing or fishing for food--catch and release is OK) are currently considered essential. There's a discussion about adding golf to the list.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 1:19 pm
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My coworker was flying from California to see his dying father in Missouri. Texas authorities wouldn’t allow him to board his connecting flight without a two week quarantine. He ended up returning home because his father passed while he was en route

^^^retracted. He clarified that hospital authorities reached out to him while on layover in Texas and told him he should go home because they wouldn’t permit entry without two week quarantine after arrival

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Old Apr 14, 20, 2:54 pm
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My coworker was flying from California to see his dying father in Missouri. Texas authorities wouldn’t allow him to board his connecting flight without a two week quarantine. He ended up returning home because his father passed while he was en route
I wasn't aware anything like this was happening, anywhere within the states. There are U.S. airports not allowing transit passengers on connecting flights without a two week quarantine?
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Old Apr 14, 20, 3:08 pm
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Originally Posted by garykung View Post
How about troop movement? Business related travel has been cut, but not governmental.
I know three US active duty folks (1 Navy, 1 Coast Guard, 1 AF) who either have a PCS (permanent change of station - a military "move") underway, or have completed one in the last month or so. And those are just the people I know - I've heard that, while there were hiccups as processes adapted, many PCSs are still underway.

I also know one person who was sent on a TDY ( a military "business trip"), as distinct from a deployment to fill a critical role in the past ten days.

Travel has been by a mix of road and commerical air.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 3:34 pm
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Do we have to justify or show a reason to fly to some place ? Can I fly to San Diego to help my brother's family as he is medically ill(not covid related)
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Old Apr 14, 20, 3:41 pm
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There are also tourists and students still trying to get home, delayed by the restrictions in countries outside the US + limited flight options. My son has elected to stay in the UK for university, but it has taken some of his friends 2-3 weeks to get home. The combinations of flights, restrictions (must enter thru certain airports), interruptions in ground transport, and cancellations have caused significant delays en route. The US govt has repatriated many, but they encourage citizens to try commercial travel first.
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Old Apr 14, 20, 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by CPRich View Post

Given that ... liquor stores have been deemed “essential“, hopefully that’s acceptable.
I mean there is a good reason liquor stores are being kept open, because when your concerned about hospitals being overwhelmed the last thing you need to do is put a bunch of people into alcohol withdrawal causing them to go to the hospital.
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As for the original topic. I think there is a lot of people who need to move into other areas to provide their essential travel. I know of one company that brought 5k+ people into the NYC area to help set up one field hospital. It's not just healthcare personnel who need to come to the area. It's the logistics, the warehouse staff, the IT staff/support, the plumbers, the electricians, the cleaning staff, etc. And to set these things up in a 2 week time span you need to bring a lot of those people in so you have manpower to get the work done in that time period. Now multiply that across the entire country, plus the numerous other government and other essential industries, and you get 100k people travelling a day. I mean 100k/2.4 million is still only about 5% of normal. I think 5% is reasonable when you cut everything back, but is probably a little low if you try to consider the percent of the population involved in providing a essential service.
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Old Apr 15, 20, 12:27 am
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Immigration is another one. I have a wife that needs to immigrate to the US. Those entry visa's have an expiration date, and can take an unknown amount of time to renew, plus require a 2nd expensive medical exam.
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