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USA halts entry of visitors who’ve been in UK, Ireland, Schengen countries

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Old Feb 28, 21, 1:32 am   -   Wikipost
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US Department of Homeland Security Announcement: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/...l-proclamation
Whitehouse.gov Proclamation (more detail): https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov...l-coronavirus/

Sec. 5. Effective Date. This proclamation is effective at 11:59 p.m. eastern daylight time on March 13, 2020. This proclamation does not apply to persons aboard a flight scheduled to arrive in the United States that departed prior to 11:59 p.m. eastern daylight time on March 13, 2020.
Section 1. Suspension and Limitation on Entry. The entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of all aliens who were physically present within the Schengen Area during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States is hereby suspended and limited subject to section 2 of this proclamation.

For purposes of this proclamation, the Schengen Area comprises 26 European states: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland

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March 11, 2020(WASHINGTON) Today President Donald J. Trump signed a Presidential Proclamation, which suspends the entry of most foreign nationals who have been in certain European countries at any point during the 14 days prior to their scheduled arrival to the United States. These countries, known as the Schengen Area, include: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation.

Won't affect lawful permanent resident, spouse of US citizen/PR, .... (see list of exceptions below, taken from whitehouse.gov link above)
Sec. 2. Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry.

(a) Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to:

(i) any lawful permanent resident of the United States;

(ii) any alien who is the spouse of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident;

(iii) any alien who is the parent or legal guardian of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, provided that the U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident is unmarried and under the age of 21;

(iv) any alien who is the sibling of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, provided that both are unmarried and under the age of 21;

(v) any alien who is the child, foster child, or ward of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, or who is a prospective adoptee seeking to enter the United States pursuant to the IR-4 or IH-4 visa classifications;

(vi) any alien traveling at the invitation of the United States Government for a purpose related to containment or mitigation of the virus;

(vii) any alien traveling as a nonimmigrant pursuant to a C-1, D, or C-1/D nonimmigrant visa as a crewmember or any alien otherwise traveling to the United States as air or sea crew;

(viii) any alien

(A) seeking entry into or transiting the United States pursuant to one of the following visas: A-1, A-2, C-2, C-3 (as a foreign government official or immediate family member of an official), E-1 (as an employee of TECRO or TECO or the employee’s immediate family members), G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, NATO-1 through NATO-4, or NATO-6 (or seeking to enter as a nonimmigrant in one of those NATO categories); or

(B) whose travel falls within the scope of section 11 of the United Nations Headquarters Agreement;

(ix) any alien whose entry would not pose a significant risk of introducing, transmitting, or spreading the virus, as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, through the CDC Director or his designee;

(x) any alien whose entry would further important United States law enforcement objectives, as determined by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or their respective designees, based on a recommendation of the Attorney General or his designee;

(xi) any alien whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or their designees; or

(xii) members of the U.S. Armed Forces and spouses and children of members of the U.S. Armed Forces.

(b) Nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to affect any individual’s eligibility for asylum, withholding of removal, or protection under the regulations issued pursuant to the legislation implementing the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, consistent with the laws and regulations of the United States.
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Old Dec 26, 20, 12:49 pm
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He may extend it to the end of next year, out of spite.

Biden may be able to reverse it but it's like Bart Simpson pushing all the floor buttons as he gets out of the elevator.
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The current PP referenced in this post does NOT expire 12/31 - that is the immigrant ban, something different. That said, I suspect Trump will lift it, purely out of politics - "look, the Dems are closing the border!".
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Old Dec 28, 20, 3:34 am
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Originally Posted by MDTyKe View Post
The current PP referenced in this post does NOT expire 12/31 - that is the immigrant ban, something different. That said, I suspect Trump will lift it, purely out of politics - "look, the Dems are closing the border!".
To deal with that kind of dynamic, there is the option of (as has happened before) channeling international arrivals to select US ports of entry in designated states but instead then only allowing that for states where the state is willing to have a quarantine requirement and related test requirement applicable to arriving/returning passengers immediately upon such people being admitted at the US port of entry. There are ways to see "problematic" travel demand driven down for public health purposes even without there being an entry ban in place.
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Looks like the Netherlands are following Italy's example and are now allowing Americans to enter without quarantining, once they've flown on a corona tested flight:

https://news.klm.com/delta-and-klm-r...-to-amsterdam/

The more European countries that do this the more it should put pressure on the Trump administration to remove the travel ban. Hopefully its revisited in the new year.
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Old Dec 29, 20, 6:05 am
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Looks like the Netherlands are following Italy's example and are now allowing Americans to enter without quarantining, once they've flown on a corona tested flight:

https://news.klm.com/delta-and-klm-r...-to-amsterdam/

The more European countries that do this the more it should put pressure on the Trump administration to remove the travel ban. Hopefully its revisited in the new year.
Note that the ´essential travel ´ requirement is still in place.
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Old Dec 29, 20, 6:11 am
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Originally Posted by jddbz View Post
Looks like the Netherlands are following Italy's example and are now allowing Americans to enter without quarantining, once they've flown on a corona tested flight:

https://news.klm.com/delta-and-klm-r...-to-amsterdam/

The more European countries that do this the more it should put pressure on the Trump administration to remove the travel ban. Hopefully its revisited in the new year.
Only relevant for those permitted to enter the Netherlands, ie very few US citizens who are travelling for defined essential purposes.
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Old Dec 29, 20, 10:26 am
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Originally Posted by jddbz View Post
Looks like the Netherlands are following Italy's example and are now allowing Americans to enter without quarantining, once they've flown on a corona tested flight:

https://news.klm.com/delta-and-klm-r...-to-amsterdam/

The more European countries that do this the more it should put pressure on the Trump administration to remove the travel ban. Hopefully its revisited in the new year.
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Note that the ´essential travel ´ requirement is still in place.
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Only relevant for those permitted to enter the Netherlands, ie very few US citizens who are travelling for defined essential purposes.
and nobody will make believe me that this will/should become the « new norm » to travel between US and Europe (or v/v). They are trying to be creative but this is just adding another pile on the already existing circus of measures.
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I'd definitely see it as positive progress personally. I'd far rather take a few covid tests around a flight rather than quarantine for 14 days on arrival in a country - the tests are far, far less expensive/restrictive.
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I'd definitely see it as positive progress personally. I'd far rather take a few covid tests around a flight rather than quarantine for 14 days on arrival in a country - the tests are far, far less expensive/restrictive.
Unless you are permitted entry, none of this really matters to you.
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I'd definitely see it as positive progress personally. I'd far rather take a few covid tests around a flight rather than quarantine for 14 days on arrival in a country - the tests are far, far less expensive/restrictive.
Testing as requirement instead of quarantine will only work for countries having relatively high cases of COVID-19 as well. There is a good chance you'll get infected after your test, or even as late as on the flight (from someone else just recently having it catched) so countries that are having zero/very very low COVID-19 spread (Meaning mostly countries across Asia right now) will not drop quarantine rules for a while to countries having COVID-19 not under control.
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Does anyone want to speculate on when they'll lift the ban?
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Does anyone want to speculate on when they'll lift the ban?
Not me, thanks.
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I wasn't brave enough either haha
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I doubt it will change anything, but here is the US Major Airline's letter sent on Monday to Vice President Mike Pence :

Dear Vice President Pence:

Airlines for America (A4A), on behalf of our member passenger carriers, is writing to express our support for a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) proposal to control the spread of COVID-19, including variants of the virus, by implementing a global program to require testing for travelers to the United States. A4A also urges the Administration to move ahead with recommendations to rescind current entry restrictions on travelers from Europe, the United Kingdom and Brazil as soon as possible. These entry restrictions should be removed concurrently with the testing program, which will provide yet another layer of safety in the travel journey.

We are grateful for the support and relief that you and the Administration have provided to assist the airline industry during the pandemic. From the onset, we have worked with you and your colleagues on the Coronavirus Task Force to protect the health and safety of our passengers, crew members and communities while also continuing to provide the essential economic activities on which our country relies. We believe a well-planned program focused on increasing testing of travelers to the United States will further these objectives in a much more effective way than the blanket travel restrictions currently in place.

Carriers have provided the CDC and other agencies feedback regarding how we can work to stand up an international testing program quickly. We strongly support CDC’s decision to allow both molecular and antigen testing as a way of facilitating the ability of passengers to access testing. Among the items we discussed are an implementation timeline of at least 14 days so that carriers can effectively communicate new requirements to customers and train staff around the world. Consideration of inadequate testing and results availability in specific countries rather than a blanket worldwide requirement is also needed. Given the scope of this requirement, we would appreciate the government’s consideration of making rapid testing available for this effort. Special consideration for unique circumstances such as connecting passengers and U.S. citizens on short round trip journeys need to be factored into the plan as well so as not to discourage travel and the benefits of increased testing. The CDC and other agencies have been open to our feedback and we appreciate the spirit of cooperation in support of the same objectives.

Mr. Vice President, we share optimism that the end of this devastating pandemic is in sight now that safe and effective vaccines are being distributed. We and our employees are extremely proud of the role we are playing in that effort. However, we also know that additional vigorous action is needed in the months ahead to bring the virus under control. We are committed to partnership with the U.S. government in that effort as well, including on an international testing program, and any other ways we can work together to safely and responsibly restore domestic and international air travel.
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Old Jan 5, 21, 4:15 pm
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All very reasonable. Remains to be seen if it'll actually be listened to, though.

By all accounts it seems the executive order was ready to go, 48 hours away from being published, to rescind the travel ban last month. But when the news broke of the new English strain it just got iced.

It'd be great to see the above letter's advice followed, and the travel ban rescinded to be replaced with a covid testing regime, but its probably a fools game predicting what Trump will do at this stage, in his last two weeks in office...
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