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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:19 pm
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US Department of Homeland Security Announcement: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/...l-proclamation
Whitehouse.gov Proclamation (more detail): https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/proclamation-suspension-entry-immigrants-nonimmigrants-certain-additional-persons-pose-risk-transmitting-2019-novel-coronavirus/

Sec. 5. Effective Date. This proclamation is effective at 11:59 p.m. eastern daylight time on March 13, 2020. This proclamation does not apply to persons aboard a flight scheduled to arrive in the United States that departed prior to 11:59 p.m. eastern daylight time on March 13, 2020.
Section 1. Suspension and Limitation on Entry. The entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of all aliens who were physically present within the Schengen Area during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States is hereby suspended and limited subject to section 2 of this proclamation.

For purposes of this proclamation, the Schengen Area comprises 26 European states: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland

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March 11, 2020(WASHINGTON) Today President Donald J. Trump signed a Presidential Proclamation, which suspends the entry of most foreign nationals who have been in certain European countries at any point during the 14 days prior to their scheduled arrival to the United States. These countries, known as the Schengen Area, include: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation.

Won't affect lawful permanent resident, spouse of US citizen/PR, .... (see list of exceptions below, taken from whitehouse.gov link above)
Sec. 2. Scope of Suspension and Limitation on Entry.

(a) Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to:

(i) any lawful permanent resident of the United States;

(ii) any alien who is the spouse of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident;

(iii) any alien who is the parent or legal guardian of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, provided that the U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident is unmarried and under the age of 21;

(iv) any alien who is the sibling of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, provided that both are unmarried and under the age of 21;

(v) any alien who is the child, foster child, or ward of a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, or who is a prospective adoptee seeking to enter the United States pursuant to the IR-4 or IH-4 visa classifications;

(vi) any alien traveling at the invitation of the United States Government for a purpose related to containment or mitigation of the virus;

(vii) any alien traveling as a nonimmigrant pursuant to a C-1, D, or C-1/D nonimmigrant visa as a crewmember or any alien otherwise traveling to the United States as air or sea crew;

(viii) any alien

(A) seeking entry into or transiting the United States pursuant to one of the following visas: A-1, A-2, C-2, C-3 (as a foreign government official or immediate family member of an official), E-1 (as an employee of TECRO or TECO or the employee’s immediate family members), G-1, G-2, G-3, G-4, NATO-1 through NATO-4, or NATO-6 (or seeking to enter as a nonimmigrant in one of those NATO categories); or

(B) whose travel falls within the scope of section 11 of the United Nations Headquarters Agreement;

(ix) any alien whose entry would not pose a significant risk of introducing, transmitting, or spreading the virus, as determined by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, through the CDC Director or his designee;

(x) any alien whose entry would further important United States law enforcement objectives, as determined by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or their respective designees, based on a recommendation of the Attorney General or his designee;

(xi) any alien whose entry would be in the national interest, as determined by the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, or their designees; or

(xii) members of the U.S. Armed Forces and spouses and children of members of the U.S. Armed Forces.

(b) Nothing in this proclamation shall be construed to affect any individual’s eligibility for asylum, withholding of removal, or protection under the regulations issued pursuant to the legislation implementing the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, consistent with the laws and regulations of the United States.
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:21 pm
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Can Moderator update the thread title to be more specific?
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by GinFizz
Given the way things are developing that was a good decision to cancel your trip.

Will be rather depressing if policy at the top is still focussed on the "we can keep it out" line of thinking ...
"Keep it out"? its already here and spreading. There's a lot to learn from China's methods to suppress and contain
the virus. Banning cargo from Europe? Really..
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:23 pm
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:24 pm
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The damage this will do to businesses is unthinkable. This is like hitting a self destruct button. I suppose we will see what will happen when the markets open (and quickly close).
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:26 pm
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Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
I saw the whole thing.
Yes, but let's wait until it's better clarified.
No travel from Europe for 30 days, the UK is not included, that's what he said.
Effective Friday 13th Midnight.
I think he meant mainland Europe, so that's Nordics as well. I don't know if that includes Turkey as there are many flights to the USA from there.

Also US citizens can still fly to the US from Europe. , provided they have been health screened. (don't know what that means though, will US carriers still fly to Europe? )
Includes cargo from the EU as well.
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:26 pm
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This is really confusing announcement wording and imprecise. Are they banning flights? Or will flights continue and certain people can't get on? Are those certain people EU passport holders? Residents? Even the news is confused and is saying things like "Europeans banned for 30 days".
You really think that hammering out the policy details should happen before the announcement? Why do that when you can just "wing it".
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by TA
This is really confusing announcement wording and imprecise. Are they banning flights? Or will flights continue and certain people can't get on? Are those certain people EU passport holders? Residents? Even the news is confused and is saying things like "Europeans banned for 30 days".
Agree on the confusion... how difficult is it to be precise?

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/11/...l-proclamation

"Today President Donald J. Trump signed a Presidential Proclamation, which suspends the entry of most foreign nationals who have been in certain European countries at any point during the 14 days prior to their scheduled arrival to the United States. These countries, known as the Schengen Area, include: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation. "

The bolding is the key part. A Brit who hung out in Paris and then wants to travel to the US via LHR would be banned. A Frenchman who hung out in London for the last 14 days would be able to hop on a flight to the US.
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by RollAnotherFatOne
The damage this will do to businesses is unthinkable. This is like hitting a self destruct button. I suppose we will see what will happen when the markets open (and quickly close).
You don't have to wait. CNBC front page has Dow futures down 1000 points.
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:28 pm
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Originally Posted by RollAnotherFatOne
The damage this will do to businesses is unthinkable. This is like hitting a self destruct button. I suppose we will see what will happen when the markets open (and quickly close).
futures for the main 3 indices are already down 5% each for tomorrow.
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:31 pm
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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
"Keep it out"? its already here and spreading. There's a lot to learn from China's methods to suppress and contain
the virus. Banning cargo from Europe? Really..
Er, that was actually my point - apologies if that didn't come across clearly enough.
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:32 pm
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Originally Posted by RollAnotherFatOne
The damage this will do to businesses is unthinkable. This is like hitting a self destruct button. I suppose we will see what will happen when the markets open (and quickly close).
According to Trump, it was China's and Europe's fault.

Wait longer and it will get worse, right?
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:34 pm
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If a person who now cannot enter the USA presents themselves at a USCBP checkpoint in an airport, and they are denied entry...how are they turned back? Can't imagine that there are flights back willing and ready to take them.
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:36 pm
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Originally Posted by RetiredATLATC
Includes cargo from the EU as well.
Trump since corrected himself to state that gargo is NOT included in the ban and can proceed as normal.

Also clarified that it's NOT a ban of the flights per se, but a ban of foreign nationals who have visited any Schengen country in the last 2 weeks - so you can't circumvent it by flying via UK/Canada, e.g.
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:37 pm
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Does anyone know if IST would be considered a part of this ban?
bet you a million dollars trump doesn't even know the answer to this lol
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Old Mar 11, 2020, 8:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Smiley90
Trump since corrected himself to state that gargo is NOT included in the ban and can proceed as normal.

Also clarified that it's NOT a ban of the flights per se, but a ban of foreign nationals who have visited any Schengen country in the last 2 weeks - so you can't circumvent it by flying via UK/Canada, e.g.
Do you have a link on the cargo?
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