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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
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Discussion and critique of political/government actions to aid the economy or which is far more political than related to COVID-19 is for the OMNI/PR forum, not here.
This is a protocol for posting adopted by the forum Moderator team:Please follow this protocol, based on FlyerTalk Rules and long-standing FlyerTalk best practices. Doing so will help keep the thread open, and allow our moderator team to aid members, rather than having to resort to discipline.
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
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So I just called my mom. My parents are bit older than your mom, still remembering WW2 as young children. She assured me they were fine, comfortable at home with plenty of food, ability to walk outside to get exercise/fresh air. Just missing the grandkids.
She doesnt use expletives. Usually. But she had some choice words for those who think they are invincible, above the rules, cant live without bars for a while.
She als had choice words for the patient who put my sister and her colleagues into quarantine and shut down a primary care clinic for two weeks. Came in to be seen for back pain. Neglected to mention cough and shortness of breath or the fact that she just returned from skiing in northern Italy. (so yeah, this isnt all about strangers and news stories for me anymore)
She also had choice words for the neighbors who went on vacation to a tropical paradise about a week or so ago and are now stuck.
Choice words such as idiotic, selfish, irresponsible.
She doesnt use expletives. Usually. But she had some choice words for those who think they are invincible, above the rules, cant live without bars for a while.
She als had choice words for the patient who put my sister and her colleagues into quarantine and shut down a primary care clinic for two weeks. Came in to be seen for back pain. Neglected to mention cough and shortness of breath or the fact that she just returned from skiing in northern Italy. (so yeah, this isnt all about strangers and news stories for me anymore)
She also had choice words for the neighbors who went on vacation to a tropical paradise about a week or so ago and are now stuck.
Choice words such as idiotic, selfish, irresponsible.
I am glad your parents are comfortable and wish them all the best.
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There must be some number of recovered who have immunity?
It's a small percentage of those infected but it has to grow and eventually grow faster than new infections eventually.
Or else it's really grim.
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It’s really grim. And the faster it happens the more hospital overflow and the more people die. As in hundreds of thousands to millions in the US if it happens fast. Only about as many Americans as died in WWII if it happens slowly.
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The “no immunity” refers to other diseases like flu where not everyone will get it if exposed due to immunity e.g. from flu shots.
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On the Diamond princess cruise ship which was a concentrated cesspool of viral load, everyone was tested, and where people with interior rooms were only allowed out for 1 hour a day, there were:
3,711 passengers
3,077 never tested positive (still surprising for something this contagious)
Half of the 638 who tested positive never had symptoms. The other half were symptomatic with a 1.2% case fatality rate in a population skewed toward older but with reasonable medical resources once they were able to disembark.
I would maintain that many of the 3,711 were exposed and may have made a little immunity without symptoms despite not testing positive. The nasal swab can have some false negatives if the test is not done deeply enough into the nasopharyngeal cavity.
For the short run, we should all do many things to be a grey person on that infographic
People are selfish. When you show them that infographic, tell them that everyone in gray DID NOT GET SICK and most people in pink did.
Choose gray, and choose your health. Don't be a statistic.
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The Italians suggest that the US reserve their limited tests for the community, to avoid further spreading of the various, and to assume that the highly symptomatic patients in hospitals are infected. Instead, the US seems to be doing the opposite, focusing on prioritizing and limiting testing to already admitted inpatients in the hospital...Another US strategic mistake to pile up?
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"Another needed move from patient- to community-centered care: Assume everyone who develops a fever and other symptoms has the coronavirus, Cereda said. (A positive identification usually isnt necessary and doesnt change treatment, since there is no known Covid-19-specific therapy yet.) Then, at least until the U.S. has adequate testing capacity, reserve those tests for nursing homes, schools, and other possible hot spots in the community in order to identify people who are infected with virus but who do not have symptoms.
Dont let them spread it, Cereda said. If we had done this in January, the U.S. wouldnt be in this situation, with an exploding number of cases (poised to blow past 20,000 on Saturday) and overwhelmed hospitals.
Health officials in some hard-hit areas in the U.S., including in California and Washington, are already moving to reserve testing for high-risk populations, including health workers, the Washington Post reported."
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/21/...ients-at-home/
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"Another needed move from patient- to community-centered care: Assume everyone who develops a fever and other symptoms has the coronavirus, Cereda said. (A positive identification usually isnt necessary and doesnt change treatment, since there is no known Covid-19-specific therapy yet.) Then, at least until the U.S. has adequate testing capacity, reserve those tests for nursing homes, schools, and other possible hot spots in the community in order to identify people who are infected with virus but who do not have symptoms.
Dont let them spread it, Cereda said. If we had done this in January, the U.S. wouldnt be in this situation, with an exploding number of cases (poised to blow past 20,000 on Saturday) and overwhelmed hospitals.
Health officials in some hard-hit areas in the U.S., including in California and Washington, are already moving to reserve testing for high-risk populations, including health workers, the Washington Post reported."
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/21/...ients-at-home/
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Scary report from Olympian fighting Covid-19, how is a non-athlete going to fight this? I know it is variable, but is this how the 80% of mild cases will experience this? Geez....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mor...?ocid=primedhp
Cameron van der Burgh ✔ @Cameronvdburgh 2/ I have been struggling with Covid-19 for 14 days today. By far the worst virus I have ever endured despite being a healthy individual with strong lungs(no smoking/sport), living a healthy lifestyle and being young (least at risk demographic)
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3/ Although the most severe symptoms(extreme fever) have eased, I am still struggling with serious fatigue and a residual cough that I can’t shake. Any physical activity like walking leaves me exhausted for hours.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mor...?ocid=primedhp
Cameron van der Burgh ✔ @Cameronvdburgh 2/ I have been struggling with Covid-19 for 14 days today. By far the worst virus I have ever endured despite being a healthy individual with strong lungs(no smoking/sport), living a healthy lifestyle and being young (least at risk demographic)
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Scary report from Olympian fighting Covid-19, how is a non-athlete going to fight this? I know it is variable, but is this how the 80% of mild cases will experience this? Geez....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mor...?ocid=primedhp
Cameron van der Burgh ✔ @Cameronvdburgh 2/ I have been struggling with Covid-19 for 14 days today. By far the worst virus I have ever endured despite being a healthy individual with strong lungs(no smoking/sport), living a healthy lifestyle and being young (least at risk demographic)
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4:32 PM - Mar 22, 20203/ Although the most severe symptoms(extreme fever) have eased, I am still struggling with serious fatigue and a residual cough that I cant shake. Any physical activity like walking leaves me exhausted for hours.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mor...?ocid=primedhp
Cameron van der Burgh ✔ @Cameronvdburgh 2/ I have been struggling with Covid-19 for 14 days today. By far the worst virus I have ever endured despite being a healthy individual with strong lungs(no smoking/sport), living a healthy lifestyle and being young (least at risk demographic)
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4:32 PM - Mar 22, 20203/ Although the most severe symptoms(extreme fever) have eased, I am still struggling with serious fatigue and a residual cough that I cant shake. Any physical activity like walking leaves me exhausted for hours.
I feel like it's game of "whoever blinks first has to pay for it" between Japan and the IOC on cancelling/postponing for a year.