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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
Discussion of general economic impacts of Covid-19 belongs in the OMNI forum, not here.
Discussion and critique of political/government actions to aid the economy or which is far more political than related to COVID-19 is for the OMNI/PR forum, not here.
This is a protocol for posting adopted by the forum Moderator team:Please follow this protocol, based on FlyerTalk Rules and long-standing FlyerTalk best practices. Doing so will help keep the thread open, and allow our moderator team to aid members, rather than having to resort to discipline.
Constructive, respectful posts, views, opinions, questions, and replies, related to the topic are welcome. Avoid commenting on members personally, or posting off-topic or political messages.
While respectful disagreement of a posted view is allowed, dont call-out posters to prove their points. FlyerTalk has never required discussion standards at the level of a Ph.D. dissertation defense, or a trial court witness cross-examination.
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
#721
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The generational divide and the threat from younger people not taking this seriously or care enough and keep on partying at home or outside...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...?ocid=primedhp
It will be interesting to see what Passover/Easter-related socializing will mean for the more vulnerable.
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Man traveling to Seychelles and South Africa in May (through Qatar) from U.S.. Our plan is to go so long as no bans are in place but looking less and less likely at this point. Guess will have to decide in May.
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Percy, do you happen to have a link for this? That is NOT what is being reported on other Australian travel forums. However those forums are starting to become so slanted to "Stay the Puck Home" messaging, it's getting harder to discern what information is actually accurate.
"If you have a layover, you must remain in the airport or self-isolate in your accommodation for the transit period." https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...avellers_0.pdf (I included the link in the post you quoted https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32191661-post618.html )
Also interpreted the same way here https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32194126-post80.html
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https://www.discoverafrica.com/coron...-south-africa/
Other sources also exist. We are impacted too, btw.
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While there is understandable focus on the health aspects (I’m a 75-yo smoker, so clearly vulnerable) the Economic aspects world-wide are incomprehensible. Think of small businesses, forced to close. Think of tourism-dependent economies in nice sunny countries (or indeed cold ones).
We will all emerge to a completely different World.
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Non-refundable hotels
It seems that most non-refundable hotel/accommodation bookings that need to be canceled as a result of the Corona-related travel restrictions are refundable after all.
So far, my friends and I have canceled dozens of such bookings in Italy, Morocco, Vietnam, Thailand and the Philippines, and ALL agreed to not charge - or pay back the booking money.
So far, my friends and I have canceled dozens of such bookings in Italy, Morocco, Vietnam, Thailand and the Philippines, and ALL agreed to not charge - or pay back the booking money.
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I'm not an economist either but many businesses that fail were already on the brink and just needed a small push from anything to put them over the edge. And for businesses that do fail there will be others with the capital and the ability to fill that gap in due course. I know it is tough to lose everything but hopefully business owners,and employees alike, have set a nest egg aside for a rainy day, it is about to storm big time!
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You are missing the fact that as small businesses and homeowners with mortgages begin to default on their loans, the banks will be heading in the direction of collapse. I think we are a long way from that in the US, but it is not the case in many other countries. When the financial system gets close to collapse, even if in just one region of the world, that is when the cure is truly worse than the disease.
That rainy day we've all been warned about is here!
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Actually they don't. Not nearly enough. Here is one example... https://www.wsj.com/articles/europea...on-11584382483
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There have been cases of death that have been falsely attributed to influenza, and only after testing postmortem confirmed as caused by COVID-19.
Some believe this situation is currently occurring quite often.
Very difficult to distinguish the cause of death when up to 500 persons a day are dying in the US of influenza during peak flu season, yet [hardly] no testing is done for COVID-19.
Some believe this situation is currently occurring quite often.
Very difficult to distinguish the cause of death when up to 500 persons a day are dying in the US of influenza during peak flu season, yet [hardly] no testing is done for COVID-19.
https://www.statnews.com/2019/06/11/...0-years-later/
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My own thought, there are 2 factors that drive the hysteria:
Fear & politics
Fear & politics
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Actually they don't. Not nearly enough. Here is one example... https://www.wsj.com/articles/europea...on-11584382483
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