Mar 11, 2020, 10:13 am
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Any member who can provide a constructive, helpful answer to a question; or post constructively in reply to a member's point-of-view, is welcome to post.
All FT rules apply, including avoiding personalized, snarky, political, other off-topic, commercial, and repeatedly disruptive content.
Discussion of general economic impacts of Covid-19 belongs in the OMNI forum, not here.
Discussion and critique of political/government actions to aid the economy or which is far more political than related to COVID-19 is for the OMNI/PR forum, not here.
This is a protocol for posting adopted by the forum Moderator team:Please follow this protocol, based on FlyerTalk Rules and long-standing FlyerTalk best practices. Doing so will help keep the thread open, and allow our moderator team to aid members, rather than having to resort to discipline.
•Constructive, respectful posts, views, opinions, questions, and replies, related to the topic are welcome. Avoid commenting on members personally, or posting off-topic or political messages.
•While respectful disagreement of a posted view is allowed, don’t call-out posters to prove their points. FlyerTalk has never required discussion standards at the level of a Ph.D. dissertation defense, or a trial court witness cross-examination.
•After a reasonable exchange of views on a point, please yield the floor so that others may bring up different topics, questions or points.
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Please stay healthy,
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COVID-19: Lounge thread for thoughts, concerns and questions
Mar 26, 2020, 2:51 pm
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Within the last 24 hours Italy has had another 700+ people with this virus added to the Italian death count.
Europe is still being hit hard by this.
Europe is still being hit hard by this.
Mar 26, 2020, 2:57 pm
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"A study published in 2012 in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) had some good news for people who smoke marijuana: smoking at a rate of one joint a day for as long as seven years doesn't seem to affect lung function adversely."
MUCH less damaging than nicotine, probably also MUCH less damaging than vaping. Blaming this on weed won't work.
Mar 26, 2020, 3:13 pm
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I'm hoping to see some changes to the built environment in general going forward. For example, more restroom doors that open outward and fewer electric hand dryers (which can't be used to open a door handle and don't really have a life-cycle carbon savings versus paper towels anyhow).
Will be curious to see if the American love affair with buffets wanes (I'm guessing not).
Will be curious to see if the American love affair with buffets wanes (I'm guessing not).
Mar 26, 2020, 3:17 pm
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Congratulations to USA. We are number 1 again. We couldn't stand not being number 1 in everything. https://ncov2019.live/data
Mar 26, 2020, 3:28 pm
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In 2016 the National Security Council put together the Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents. It was a management playbook on how to respond quickly to even pandemics of various sorts ... even those caused by biowarfare agent use.
The so-called pandemic playbook was the product of 2 years of work and was completed in 2016. It wasn’t used and acted upon in January and February of 2020 or even two weeks ago. Talk about missing the boat.
Clearly someone forgot about its existence and didn’t follow the playbook as soon as possible. This is what happens when you gut players with institutional knowledge and then forget or refuse to even chase them for advice.
The so-called pandemic playbook was the product of 2 years of work and was completed in 2016. It wasn’t used and acted upon in January and February of 2020 or even two weeks ago. Talk about missing the boat.
Clearly someone forgot about its existence and didn’t follow the playbook as soon as possible. This is what happens when you gut players with institutional knowledge and then forget or refuse to even chase them for advice.
Mar 26, 2020, 3:30 pm
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In 2016 the National Security Council put together the Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Emerging Infectious Disease Threats and Biological Incidents. It was a management playbook on how to respond quickly to even pandemics of various sorts ... even those caused by biowarfare agent use.
The so-called pandemic playbook was the product of 2 years of work and was completed in 2016. It wasn’t used and acted upon in January and February of 2020 or even two weeks ago. Talk about missing the boat.
Clearly someone forgot about its existence and didn’t follow the playbook as soon as possible. This is what happens when you gut players with institutional knowledge and then forget or refuse to even chase them for advice.
The so-called pandemic playbook was the product of 2 years of work and was completed in 2016. It wasn’t used and acted upon in January and February of 2020 or even two weeks ago. Talk about missing the boat.
Clearly someone forgot about its existence and didn’t follow the playbook as soon as possible. This is what happens when you gut players with institutional knowledge and then forget or refuse to even chase them for advice.
Mar 26, 2020, 3:36 pm
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Maybe they ignored the playbook in 2020 because the title referred to “Early Response”, and in 2020 they were looking for the “Late Response” playbook.
Last edited by GUWonder; Mar 26, 2020 at 3:47 pm
Mar 26, 2020, 3:42 pm
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Even if (big if) some (or most) businesses partially (or fully) return to operation, I personally would not travel by air unitl July. Just me!
Mar 26, 2020, 3:45 pm
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https://www.health.harvard.edu/stayi...-little-easier
"A study published in 2012 in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) had some good news for people who smoke marijuana: smoking at a rate of one joint a day for as long as seven years doesn't seem to affect lung function adversely."
MUCH less damaging than nicotine, probably also MUCH less damaging than vaping. Blaming this on weed won't work.
"A study published in 2012 in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) had some good news for people who smoke marijuana: smoking at a rate of one joint a day for as long as seven years doesn't seem to affect lung function adversely."
MUCH less damaging than nicotine, probably also MUCH less damaging than vaping. Blaming this on weed won't work.
Seems crazy to smoke anything at a time like this.
Mar 26, 2020, 3:48 pm
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I think the idea is that leaving the restroom is more key, because that is when you have just washed your hands and want to keep them clean.
Mar 26, 2020, 5:31 pm
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https://www.health.harvard.edu/stayi...-little-easier
"A study published in 2012 in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) had some good news for people who smoke marijuana: smoking at a rate of one joint a day for as long as seven years doesn't seem to affect lung function adversely."
MUCH less damaging than nicotine, probably also MUCH less damaging than vaping. Blaming this on weed won't work.
"A study published in 2012 in The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) had some good news for people who smoke marijuana: smoking at a rate of one joint a day for as long as seven years doesn't seem to affect lung function adversely."
MUCH less damaging than nicotine, probably also MUCH less damaging than vaping. Blaming this on weed won't work.
Mar 26, 2020, 5:56 pm
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Shhhhhh
Mar 26, 2020, 6:18 pm
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