Work / corporate travel bans - COVID-19
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My (USA) employer is encouraging any employee who thinks that he/she might have been exposed to the corona virus during domestic or international business travel to file a worker's compensation claim.
Anyone else?
We now have a ban on all employer-paid domestic or foreign business travel by any employee, with (essential) exceptions requiring very high level approval in advance. This starts in a couple days and lasts at least six weeks, although I haven't seen anything regarding people who are currently traveling. The prohibition apparently includes travel by private car, etc., and isn't even limited to travel away from home overnight. Nonemployee business travel that will be reimbursed apparently is *not* included in the ban, although there is language about covering nonrefundable expenses associated with voluntary cancellation of travel.
Anyone else?
We now have a ban on all employer-paid domestic or foreign business travel by any employee, with (essential) exceptions requiring very high level approval in advance. This starts in a couple days and lasts at least six weeks, although I haven't seen anything regarding people who are currently traveling. The prohibition apparently includes travel by private car, etc., and isn't even limited to travel away from home overnight. Nonemployee business travel that will be reimbursed apparently is *not* included in the ban, although there is language about covering nonrefundable expenses associated with voluntary cancellation of travel.
#212
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All of my clients have currently banned the following for all employees, suppliers, and contractors
- No air travel anywhere, no overnight hotel stays anywhere
- No in-person meetings of more than 10 people
- No access to any other building or facility than your assigned location without EVP/SVP approval
- No external visitors
- Avoid any in-person meetings if at all possible and work from home if at all possible
- All non-business critical projects put on hold
Mind you these are manufacturing companies with global supply chains.
Not sure how long they can sustain themselves operating like this, but this is going to kill the economy if this lasts beyond the end of the month.
I am chilling at home, with not a lot of work to do for the near-future. Hope my employer keeps sending me direct deposit every 2 weeks.
I need to go to Lowes and Home Depot to stock-up and knock off a lot of projects around the house during this downtime
- No air travel anywhere, no overnight hotel stays anywhere
- No in-person meetings of more than 10 people
- No access to any other building or facility than your assigned location without EVP/SVP approval
- No external visitors
- Avoid any in-person meetings if at all possible and work from home if at all possible
- All non-business critical projects put on hold
Mind you these are manufacturing companies with global supply chains.
Not sure how long they can sustain themselves operating like this, but this is going to kill the economy if this lasts beyond the end of the month.
I am chilling at home, with not a lot of work to do for the near-future. Hope my employer keeps sending me direct deposit every 2 weeks.
I need to go to Lowes and Home Depot to stock-up and knock off a lot of projects around the house during this downtime
#213
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All travel at our firm cancelled til June end: no flights, no hotels, no in person meetings outside of organization.
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We are expecting to be told to WAH anyday now with no travel (circa 400k employees). Our well documented BC plans will no doubt prove useful. The last one I looked at still had "pagers" in it. My department doesn't have one. My how we laughed.....Pandemic, yup, that's what it is.
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There's a bunch of companies announcing travel bans every time I look at the news. Honestly though, where covid-19 is concerned what started out as prudence has now eroded into full-blown panic.
WHO notes that there have been 90,000 confirmed cases of covid-19 since the beginning of the year, and just over 3,000 deaths.
WHO also notes that common colds and garden-variety flu infects an average of 50 to 60 million people worldwide every single year, and kill 650,000 of them on average. Yet no one bans travel over that.
Perhaps the entire world might want to take a moment to regain some perspective here. It's clearly been lost at this point.
WHO notes that there have been 90,000 confirmed cases of covid-19 since the beginning of the year, and just over 3,000 deaths.
WHO also notes that common colds and garden-variety flu infects an average of 50 to 60 million people worldwide every single year, and kill 650,000 of them on average. Yet no one bans travel over that.
Perhaps the entire world might want to take a moment to regain some perspective here. It's clearly been lost at this point.
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My employer's travel policy has changed at least three times in the last week. It's very confusing about exactly what is prohibited, with examples that seem to contradict the policy and with key words, such as business and travel, not being defined.
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My wife just got another travel notice from her company and told me that her friend who manages a lab at Stanford just got wfh orders today. Strangely enough, my wife's trip to Guatemala is still on for next month.
#218
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So, numbers, China's population is ~1.4B, total cases 80790, deaths 3158, Italy ~60M, total cases 10149, deaths 631. China, ratio of population to infections is 17816, Italy 5957; China, ratio of population to deaths is 455771, Italy 95819. If we assume that the USA was going to fall somewhere in between those figures then infections would be ~18-55000, deaths ~700-3500. 1315 people die per day in the USA due to tobacco. I think the numbers seem low when looked at like that.
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China shut down the whole country quarantining its population in place for 6 weeks, italy has placed the entire country in quarantine, closed down all businesses except supermarkets and pharmacies and is still experiencing exponentional growth in cases (which is why current numbers for italy are 50% higher than what you've written and your post is only a day old). Can you explain your logical reasoning for why the cases in the USA would just stop at those levels without intervention?
North Italy and Wuhan and Iran are 3 places where things have gone awful very quickly. Other places may or may not see similar situations
#220
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Maybe for the same reason there has been so few deaths in Germany? Or cases in Korea have stopped multiplying? Or Singapore has not collapsed without a Wuhan style lockdown?
North Italy and Wuhan and Iran are 3 places where things have gone awful very quickly. Other places may or may not see similar situations
North Italy and Wuhan and Iran are 3 places where things have gone awful very quickly. Other places may or may not see similar situations
Germany has only been running for a week or so so I’d be waiting to see what the real results are. I really hope the first weeks results are indicative of the last.
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Back to the subject, this came today in our Singapore office:
Regarding the very last part - if you are on work visa (is called employment pass), student/academic visa or long term visit visa - if you decide to go to any of the affected countries, you can't easily come back.
Who have had previous, current, and anticipated travel, whether business or personal, to the following COVID-19 affected countries:
- South Korea
- Iran
- Italy
- Germany
- France
- Spain
If you have arrived in Singapore after 04 Mar 2020, 2359 hrs from, or are currently in, any of the areas indicated above, you will be issued a 14-day Stay home Notice (SHN) by relevant local authorities.
If you are a Long-Term Pass Holder, and are anticipating travel to any of the areas indicated above, please complete the additional ‘Pre-Travel Declaration’ Form, to acknowledge the following activities:
1. Notify LHRS of your departure date back to Singapore (A mandatory MOM approval must be requested and completed, and be submitted min. 07 days, prior to returning back to Singapore).
2. Agree to make private transportation arrangements, from the airport directly to your place of residence, to serve the 14-day SHN period, upon arrival in Singapore.
3. Must be contactable, and respond to MOM’s phone calls, WhatsApp Video Calls, or SMSs, within 01 hr, during the 14-day SHN period.
4. If currently residing in a rental property provide with your landlord’s written consent to serve the 14-day SHN period there.
5. Agree to manage your own food, other daily essentials, and non-emergency medical needs, during the 14-day SHN period (you will not be allowed to leave your residence).
- South Korea
- Iran
- Italy
- Germany
- France
- Spain
If you have arrived in Singapore after 04 Mar 2020, 2359 hrs from, or are currently in, any of the areas indicated above, you will be issued a 14-day Stay home Notice (SHN) by relevant local authorities.
If you are a Long-Term Pass Holder, and are anticipating travel to any of the areas indicated above, please complete the additional ‘Pre-Travel Declaration’ Form, to acknowledge the following activities:
1. Notify LHRS of your departure date back to Singapore (A mandatory MOM approval must be requested and completed, and be submitted min. 07 days, prior to returning back to Singapore).
2. Agree to make private transportation arrangements, from the airport directly to your place of residence, to serve the 14-day SHN period, upon arrival in Singapore.
3. Must be contactable, and respond to MOM’s phone calls, WhatsApp Video Calls, or SMSs, within 01 hr, during the 14-day SHN period.
4. If currently residing in a rental property provide with your landlord’s written consent to serve the 14-day SHN period there.
5. Agree to manage your own food, other daily essentials, and non-emergency medical needs, during the 14-day SHN period (you will not be allowed to leave your residence).
#222
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Maybe for the same reason there has been so few deaths in Germany? Or cases in Korea have stopped multiplying? Or Singapore has not collapsed without a Wuhan style lockdown?
North Italy and Wuhan and Iran are 3 places where things have gone awful very quickly. Other places may or may not see similar situations
North Italy and Wuhan and Iran are 3 places where things have gone awful very quickly. Other places may or may not see similar situations
#223
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I’m NYC-based and work for an iconic global financial firm. Last week we issued our first COVID-related travel guidance:
1) All non-client facing travel is banned
2) Any international travel requires written executive-level approval
3) Any domestic travel requires written sr mgmt approval.
1) All non-client facing travel is banned
2) Any international travel requires written executive-level approval
3) Any domestic travel requires written sr mgmt approval.
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