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Old Mar 21, 2020, 8:30 pm
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Originally Posted by wco81

How about through food?
https://www.fda.gov/food/food-safety...-2019-covid-19Q: Is the U.S. food supply safe?

Currently there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with transmission of COVID-19.

Unlike foodborne gastrointestinal (GI) viruses like norovirus and hepatitis A that often make people ill through contaminated food, SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, is a virus that causes respiratory illness. Foodborne exposure to this virus is not known to be a route of transmission.
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 8:41 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyBitcoin
"The global economy and society may get a major blow from an epidemic that otherwise accounts for less than 0.01% of all 60 million annual global deaths from all causes and that kills almost exclusively people with relatively low life expectancy."
In my view, we're way beyond any counterpoints now. The entire world is already so heavily vested in a certain narrative that even if a pyrrhic victory were the only outcome, whatever the cost will be justified. So, they'll keep reminding us....
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 8:41 pm
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Originally Posted by notquiteaff
https://www.fda.gov/food/food-safety...-2019-covid-19Q: Is the U.S. food supply safe?

Currently there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with transmission of COVID-19.

Unlike foodborne gastrointestinal (GI) viruses like norovirus and hepatitis A that often make people ill through contaminated food, SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, is a virus that causes respiratory illness. Foodborne exposure to this virus is not known to be a route of transmission.

Good to know but we're not suppose to touch our faces after touching potentially contaminated surfaces. We're suppose to wash hands thoroughly after getting home.

Obviously if virus particles enter our mouths they can reach the lungs. But when we eat, food goes down the other hole so no chance?
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 8:46 pm
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Seems like there are enough legit things to worry about without making up new ones.
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 9:18 pm
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As physicians across the country diagnose and care for a growing number of people with COVID-19, distinct patterns are emerging, giving clues about how the illness manifests itself in patients.

Very often, people start off with minor physical complaints — slight cough, headache, low-grade fever — that gradually worsen.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ening-n1164756
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 9:29 pm
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Update from Singapore- if you are a visitor, you will not get medical help

SINGAPORE - All doctors in public and private hospitals, as well as private specialist clinics, have been advised by the Ministry of Health (MOH) to immediately stop or defer accepting new foreign patients who do not reside in Singapore.

They have also been instructed to encourage their current foreign patients to seek continued care in their home countries.
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/coronavirus-moh-advises-doctors-in-singapore-to-stop-or-defer-accepting-non-resident
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 9:34 pm
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Originally Posted by QtownDave
As physicians across the country diagnose and care for a growing number of people with COVID-19, distinct patterns are emerging, giving clues about how the illness manifests itself in patients.

Very often, people start off with minor physical complaints — slight cough, headache, low-grade fever — that gradually worsen.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ening-n1164756
"Denson, who estimated he's treated 15 to 20 patients with the coronavirus, described that first phase of the illness as "a slow burn."....."It seems like there's a period of time where the body is trying to sort out whether it can beat this or not," ….."

This will be the creepy part, you will be thinking is this going to suddenly get cured or you may suddenly end up in the hospital. From what I read and I understand, someone could rapidly deteriorate and need hospitalization in a matter of hours...
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 9:46 pm
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Everyone will get infected.


https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/...virus-war.html
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 10:21 pm
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The Premiers of Australia's two largest states, Victoria & New South Wales, have announced a lock down to commence within 48 hours with everything closed except "essential" services.

Scenes like this at Bondi beach yesterday probably spurred some action:

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Old Mar 21, 2020, 10:25 pm
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Singapore banned transit and short term arrivals. Only Singapore citizens, PRs and long term pass holders are allowed in.
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 10:42 pm
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Not to say that Covid-19 isn’t serious but. Can you say fear mongering nanny state? Either this is a doomsday virus and needs to be treated as such or it’s not. Judging by the prime time press release by the governor it’s not! His emergency shut down of the state has so many exemptions ( loopholes ) that you could fly an airplane through them including exempting potshops.
Or can we discuss Pennsylvania’s response? Closing down the state on Friday and then deciding that it can wait until Tuesday.
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Old Mar 21, 2020, 11:58 pm
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Originally Posted by TravelingZoomer
Posted in the mask wearing thread


Also, people are continuously citing masks don’t work to protect you. I find this claim dubious at best.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3306645/


facemask protection was found to be 45 per cent, while under expiratory emissions, protection varied from 33 to 100 per cent.


Pretty sure 33% (at the low end) is a lot better than 0%. But again it’s not about you, it’s about protecting others in case you have it. If the logic goes that you wearing a mask protects others, if everyone wears a mask than we all protect each other
The UCSF COVID19 team ID experts meeting that I posted yesterday (moved to the lounge thread), said that they found surgical face masks adequate in the hospital. N95 needed only in surgical rooms.
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Old Mar 22, 2020, 6:29 am
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Originally Posted by Dublin_rfk
Not to say that Covid-19 isn’t serious but. Can you say fear mongering nanny state? Either this is a doomsday virus and needs to be treated as such or it’s not. Judging by the prime time press release by the governor it’s not! His emergency shut down of the state has so many exemptions ( loopholes ) that you could fly an airplane through them including exempting potshops.
Or can we discuss Pennsylvania’s response? Closing down the state on Friday and then deciding that it can wait until Tuesday.
PA also has a bunch of nonsensical exemptions.
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Old Mar 22, 2020, 6:55 am
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Originally Posted by PanAmWT
The UCSF COVID19 team ID experts meeting that I posted yesterday (moved to the lounge thread), said that they found surgical face masks adequate in the hospital. N95 needed only in surgical rooms.
N95 for all operations is overkill and a waste in my opinion. N95 for somebody with symptoms having an operation, for sure. Everyone in the US needs to wear something, but until that happens, we will likely spread like France is. Now for the fact based reporting. here is an example of my email every morning. This mornings. Curve not flattening much.

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Old Mar 22, 2020, 6:59 am
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Originally Posted by boerne
N95 for all operations is overkill and a waste in my opinion. N95 for somebody with symptoms having an operation, for sure. Everyone in the US needs to wear something, but until that happens, we will likely spread like France is. Now for the fact based reporting. here is an example of my email every morning. This mornings. Curve not flattening much.
bear in mind that the curve we’re looking to flatten is the infection count, not the case count.

There is a time lag between the two - infections are not cases as soon as they happen, but have to be tested and diagnosed first, which is unlikely to happen before symptoms show - and also a difference, since many infections won’t ever become cases.

because of these facts people may have a tendency to dismiss interventions as ineffective before the intervention has had a chance to prove itself effective.
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