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Old Jun 18, 2009, 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by iahphx
It will be interesting to see the age of the pilot. Hopefully, it is not an over 60 individual, as we will then be subject to countless stories about whether the rule change to allow older pilots "jeaporidizes safety."
It seems to me the redundancy aboard is more important than the specific age of the pilot (61 in this case).
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 10:53 am
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Originally Posted by chasbondy
In the past, I would have said its a waste to have 3 pilots on board TATL. I think I have just changed my mind.
You could have had your original thought only by possessing a total ignorance of the profession and its demands.
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 10:53 am
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Originally Posted by chasbondy
In the past, I would have said its a waste to have 3 pilots on board TATL. I think I have just changed my mind.
You obviously have not seen the data that correlates fatigue with pilot errors. Trust me; on longer flights, you want three pilots.


Originally Posted by BigPoppaCO
Does CO pilots have to maintain a certain level of fitness level to keep their jobs?
Whether or not CO has its own standards, the FAA certainly does. There is a special physical examination that pilots must pass on a regular (annual?) basis.
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 10:55 am
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Sorry to hear.

My condolences to the pilot's family and the pilots friends and co-workers at Continental.
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 10:57 am
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Two things

My condolences to the pilot's family. Truly sad. As someone stated earlier, at least he died doing hopefully what he loved.

As for the speculation that it was a heart attack, let's not jump to conclusions. As for the discussion about 60-64 year olds dying of heart disease more than someone who is younger... ok.. what's your point? As you age, of course the incidence goes UP.

I was watching MSNBC report this story as I worked my treadmill for an hour. I had my first and hopefully cardiac incident 18 months ago, so I may be a bit touchy. The reality is you can be in great shape, but a cardiac incident can happen to anyone at anytime. I never ate at a McD's and I still got to join the "club".

In any event, it's all speculation until medical authorities can examine him.

May he rest in peace.

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Old Jun 18, 2009, 10:57 am
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unbelievable story - terribly sad.

kudos to the rest of the CO team that was in the air that got the big bird onto the ground safely!
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 11:00 am
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Originally Posted by ErgoTraveler
I'm sure BF pax would know, the CBS story stated they placed him in a crew rest seat. Unless there is an area not in the seating section for rest on this aircraft.
All the CO 772s have rest bunks. I have no idea if they'd try to get the pilot into them or use a seat in the open.
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 11:02 am
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Originally Posted by sbm12
All the CO 772s have rest bunks. I have no idea if they'd try to get the pilot into them or use a seat in the open.
I've heard pax reporting that they were not told what was happening. Moving a deceased pilot to a spot outside the cockpit would seem to undermine the desire to prevent a panic.
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 11:06 am
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Originally Posted by Blumie

Whether or not CO has its own standards, the FAA certainly does. There is a special physical examination that pilots must pass on a regular (annual?) basis.
It is every 6 months.

(This is different than your regular private pilot [3rd class] exam that is good for 3 years, until you turn 40 at which point it is every 2 years.)

Pax interviews say they were not told during flight;there was just a call for a Doc.

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Old Jun 18, 2009, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by ziggy29
I've heard pax reporting that they were not told what was happening. Moving a deceased pilot to a spot outside the cockpit would seem to undermine the desire to prevent a panic.
Agreed. I was just pointing out that there were "crew rest" seats that are not in the view of the passengers. I don't remember where the access door to the bunks is but I think it is forward in the front galley so with the curtains pulled it would be possible to move someone in there with no pax noticing.
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by iahphx

It will be interesting to see the age of the pilot. Hopefully, it is not an over 60 individual, as we will then be subject to countless stories about whether the rule change to allow older pilots "jeaporidizes safety."
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Originally Posted by suzanneaustin
CNN/CO reporting that the Captain is 61 and died of natural causes. Probably a heart attack. My condolences to all.
So iahphx's question is answered.

The problem with politicians meddling with healthcare and wanting their own system imposed is that they think they know it all, even if they have good intentions. Suzanne, like any politician, thinks it was a heart attack. Even though I'm not a doctor, it could be many other things. Ruptured aortic aneurysum (like Dr. Michael DeBakey), brain aneurysm (singer Laura Branigan), stroke (several kinds), pulmonary embolism (like the NBC reporter in Iraq), cardiac arrythmias (many kinds), epileptic seizure (like someone I read about in the newspaper who was in his 30's), asthmatic attack. So a layman, like me can name 8 things, and a doctor could probably name 25 things. So lets not let politicians try a massive overhaul when they should be fixing things stepwise to see the effects. Like fixing Medicaid first and, if partly successful, then applying the lessons learned to Medicare or universal health care, not a massive, dangerous, experiment on everyone. (When the Boeing 777 was introduced, the FAA tested it for a year, they did not shove passengers in and use the 777 on a commercial flight as soon as it left the factory).

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Old Jun 18, 2009, 11:15 am
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That is unfortunate for the pilot and his family/friends.

I am glad things turned out fine for everyone on the flight although in a modern 777, having one pilot is absolutely no problem on a routine flight.

I do wonder where they tended to and placed the pilot's body after he became incapacitated.
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 11:21 am
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Originally Posted by ziggy29
I've heard pax reporting that they were not told what was happening. Moving a deceased pilot to a spot outside the cockpit would seem to undermine the desire to prevent a panic.
Why would there be a panic? Is there any reason to believe that ONE pilot couldn't land the plane safely?

I know if I was on this flight and they told me that the co-pilot was fine and that they even had another company pilot on board to fly, I wouldn't have the slightest concern for my safety. I would feel sorry for the pilot and his family and think what a freaky incident it was.
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 11:22 am
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Originally Posted by iahphx
Why would there be a panic? Is there any reason to believe that ONE pilot couldn't land the plane safely?

I know if I was on this flight and they told me that the co-pilot was fine and that they even had another pilot on board to fly, I wouldn't have the slightest concern for my safety. I would feel sorry for the pilot and his family and think what a freaky incident it was.
I could be wrong, but I'm not sure you are the norm in that regard.
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Old Jun 18, 2009, 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by CApreppie
That is unfortunate for the pilot and his family/friends.

I am glad things turned out fine for everyone on the flight although in a modern 777, having one pilot is absolutely no problem on a routine flight.

I do wonder where they tended to and placed the pilot's body after he became incapacitated.
I can't answer for this particular flight/situation. In prior flights I have seen passengers placed into a row of coach seats, into a row of First Class seats, in the back galley or any other galley that had enough room of the floor.
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