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sbm12 Jul 5, 2008 10:48 am


Originally Posted by hvnflyer (Post 9985713)
HVN continues to be the most underutilized airport in the country. There are almost 4 million potential enplanements but they are all leaked out to other facilities. ....

Tweed Airport is the best kept secret in aviation. It's one mile off the highway and has millions of people within a 100 mile radius.

Sorry, but you've now gone past reality in your assertions. Suggesting 4MM enplanements is > 10K daily. That's 75 flights on a 737.

And most of those millions of people within 100 miles are actually in the NYC cachement area, not the HVN area. You've got HPN, SWF, PVD, BDL, all of which have way more service and more facilities than HVN, plus three little facilities in EWR, JFK and LGA. To suggest that folks from NYC are going to go to HVN to fly is about as silly as the suggestions that they'll go to SWF. HVN is way more convenient travel-wise but neither is going to happen.

The fact that even WN walked away from HVN is a pretty reasonable indication that the airport doesn't have the draw, the facilities or the ability to drive that traffic.

cyboex19 Sep 23, 2008 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 9985884)
The fact that even WN walked away from HVN is a pretty reasonable indication that the airport doesn't have the draw, the facilities or the ability to drive that traffic.

I'll give you one of the three. The truth is, the issue with HVN is the runway length, which basically condemns it to regional aircraft. Since WN doesn't use regional aircraft, that is the real reason they wouldn't consider it. So, facilities I suppose is valid. The others are debatable.

hvnflyer Sep 25, 2008 9:58 am

Wn hvn
 
I beg to differ with you SBM12. I was involved with WN looking at HVN and they didn't come for one reason which was in infrastructure. It would take them 20 minutes just to gas up the plane. If you know where HVN is you would understand how accessable it is to the traveling public, more so than BDL. When we had service to ORD 4 times a day from 90-94 Fairfield county executives used TWEED quite a bit.

Like I said HVN is the best kept secret and soon when the runway safety zone is finally put in the smart air carriers will realize this....The first thing Frank Lorenzo did when he acquired PBA Airlines was to add HVN

We will see



One more thing when The President's daughter went to Yale. The White HOuse had no problem getting air force one (757) to land at TWEED

ConciergeMike Sep 25, 2008 10:54 am

Air Force One is a 757? :confused:

Steph3n Sep 25, 2008 10:55 am


Originally Posted by ConciergeMike (Post 10424379)
Air Force One is a 757? :confused:

There are many air force one's.....any plane the president is in.

ConciergeMike Sep 25, 2008 10:59 am


Originally Posted by Steph3n (Post 10424388)
There are many air force ones.....any plane the president is in.

Yes, I'm well aware of that. Thanks for wrecking the joke. :rolleyes: I fixed your misused apostrophe too.

hvnflyer Sep 25, 2008 12:59 pm

an Airbus 380 could land in New HAven once and never get out

sbm12 Sep 25, 2008 1:14 pm


Originally Posted by hvnflyer (Post 10424019)
If you know where HVN is you would understand how accessable it is to the traveling public, more so than BDL.

I know exactly where it is, having flown in to it a handful of times on US Express back in 2001. Saying that it is more accessible is a relative term. Accessible for whom? From where? Is there a sufficient number of passengers to drive anything more than regional service? If not, many folks would rather drive or train to a larger airport and fly non-stop rather than connect.

This thread started with a complaint about BDL service being so bad. What makes you think that HVN would be any different? So that wouldn't endear passengers to the service. One or two missed connections and folks will just be driving to the big 3 anyways.

And basing an opinion of smart airline business practice on the actions of Frank Lorenzo is ridiculous. As a CEO at the helm of two different carriers' bankruptcies (CO and EA) it is hard to say that his judgments are always completely sound.


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