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CosmosHuman Apr 16, 2008 5:34 am

No more worry here....
 
I'll have a nice cup 'o coffee and enjoy my day.

CO 1E Apr 16, 2008 8:47 am


Originally Posted by happymom2008 (Post 9579471)
With all the other stuff that went on, like AA and their MD80's, I just wondered. I have flown on the mad dogs in the past, very past.

I don't see the cost of oil coming down in the future. I paid $3.22/gal this past weekend, well I won 2 $50.00 BP gas cards in a drawing. Some say I am a lucky person, I'm always winning something, but luck does have its endings. I just want to have a happy holiday.

CLE has some of the least expensive gas prices in the country right now - consider yourself fortunate. I paid $2.99/gallon there several weeks ago. If you shop at Giant Eagle, you can accrue points that reduce the price charged at their fuel station by something like $.10/gallon for every $100 or something that you spend.

As to your question, in my opinion, when CO reduces service at CLE after the merger with UA, the LAS flights will be the last to go. Probably all the west coast flights will remain, in fact.

vatraveler Apr 16, 2008 8:55 am

How is CLE-TUL doing? I did it twice recently, and both flights were around 10-15 pax. And how about GSO? I'll be trying that one in a couple of weeks.

sammy0623 Apr 16, 2008 9:24 am


Originally Posted by CO 1E (Post 9582039)
CLE has some of the least expensive gas prices in the country right now - consider yourself fortunate. I paid $2.99/gallon there several weeks ago. If you shop at Giant Eagle, you can accrue points that reduce the price charged at their fuel station by something like $.10/gallon for every $100 or something that you spend.

As to your question, in my opinion, when CO reduces service at CLE after the merger with UA, the LAS flights will be the last to go. Probably all the west coast flights will remain, in fact.

i dunno about some low gas prices. the prices between CLE and CMH are usually pretty close (+/- 15 cents) and our prices in CMH (with a lower standard of living) are around 3.459 a gallon. on that note, i'm gonna open a store and sell everything on the tenth of a cent price level

CosmosHuman Apr 16, 2008 10:54 am

Gas costs...
 
Gas in Mentor Ohio, near to where I reside was $3.45 this morning. Yikes!

coplatua1k Apr 16, 2008 2:28 pm

$3.45? Go to Heisley Walmart or Speedway.

SkyTeam777 Apr 21, 2008 7:31 pm


Originally Posted by vatraveler (Post 9582086)
How is CLE-TUL doing? I did it twice recently, and both flights were around 10-15 pax. And how about GSO? I'll be trying that one in a couple of weeks.

Id really be interested in knowing how GSO is doing too...anecdotal evidence from the web site shows that the flights are 50% full (not including pax without seat assignments or walk-up fares).

Considering the route started just a month ago, I hope loads improve substantially. All of those 200-300 CMH pax per day from Skybus' two daily nonstops (and yes those flights were typically 80% full) have obviously retreated from CO's high rates.

767400 Apr 22, 2008 7:37 am

I am on CLE-LAS tomm and it's a full house (738), the return flight home is a packed 753 on Sunday. I think the LAS flights will be here to stay!

otralot Apr 22, 2008 11:07 am


Originally Posted by 767400 (Post 9613504)
I am on CLE-LAS tomm and it's a full house (738), the return flight home is a packed 753 on Sunday. I think the LAS flights will be here to stay!

Ultimately what matters on these flights is what kind of fares CO is getting. They could fly a full plane theorectically lose money if the fares are too low and LAS is highly competitive market (not sure how so from CLE).

I do think going forward that oil pirces will play a role in how service gets rolled out. With fuel being suhc a high % now there is probably less tolerance for waiting out investments in a new station to see if there will be a return.

I beleive some new service is subsidized by the local community. Don't know if that was the case in Kalamazoo. If it was, I think they would have a hard time canceling or their would have been some discussion of the terms of an agreement that allowed CO to cancel.

sammy0623 Apr 22, 2008 11:11 am


Originally Posted by otralot (Post 9614677)
Ultimately what matters on these flights is what kind of fares CO is getting. They could fly a full plane theorectically lose money if the fares are too low and LAS is highly competitive market (not sure how so from CLE).

I'm pretty sure it's competitive for pretty much every originating city...

cptlflyer Apr 22, 2008 10:59 pm

Lots of good discussion here... what I meant by "already" in the OP is that, for whatever reason, CO has cut flights from CLE before they even started them... which, as some of you have suggested, may just be a fluke... but no airline enters a market without marketing data to support the demand (especially so now in this tough economic climate).

So, my question for the group was whether this route was just an oddity (underperforming sales despite projected demand being there) or if, perhaps, it's an early symptom of CO's attempt to build-up CO's connecting traffic not going as planned?

Plus, with fuel prices (austensibly at least) forcing airlines to cut capacity, is there less urgency for CO to build-up CLE... especially as a reliever to EWR for connecting pax?

entropy Apr 23, 2008 1:05 am

I suspect it has a bit to do with general capacity cuts that they are making. In addition, they probably figured if it was a 'marginal' route that it wasn't worth the startup cost.


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