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Originally Posted by CO 1E
(Post 9245745)
CLE generates more traffic on its own than many people believe. At worst, it would remain a strong focus city.
1) CLE is the 40th largest city in the US (link). It is the 24th largest metro area in the US (link). 2) In terms of passengers boarded, CLE is 36th (link). Now, compare this to Kansas City: 1) Kansas City is the 39th largest city in the US. It is the 28th largest metro area in the US. 2) In terms of passengers boarded, MCI is 35th. In other words, for cities of similar size, we see similar #'s of passengers boarded, with both having rankings on the pax list consistent with their relative position on the population list. So, I would say that CLE generates no more (though probably no less) traffic than one should expect. What is interesting is that CLE's status as a hub, and the increased options for the pax, does not seem to provide a boost. This contrasts with CVG, which has the 25th largest metro area, behind CLE. Yet, it sees 47% more passengers board than CLE. Even more damning for CLE's prospects is that it doesn't generate large amounts of international traffic, which is the high-yield stuff that it would seem these mergers are about.
Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
(Post 9249404)
In the 1980s CLE was still a UA hub, and CO beat UA for dominance. There would be no reason to throw it away now.
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Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 9249599)
CLE likely falls behind DEN because DEN lies in a more isolated spot than CLE, which is less than 500 miles from EWR, DEN, and IAD.
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Originally Posted by supermasterphil
(Post 9249687)
I guess you mean ORD. (DEN-CLE = 1200 miles) @:-)
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Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 9249599)
What is interesting is that CLE's status as a hub, and the increased options for the pax, does not seem to provide a boost. This contrasts with CVG, which has the 25th largest metro area, behind CLE. Yet, it sees 47% more passengers board than CLE.
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Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
(Post 9249404)
In the 1980s CLE was still a UA hub, and CO beat UA for dominance. There would be no reason to throw it away now.
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Originally Posted by CO 1E
(Post 9250796)
That will change with additional connecting traffic pushed to CLE from EWR and, to a lesser extent, IAH.
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Here are the 15 largest CSA's primary airports in the nation. Note that all 15 are hubs. 1. NYC (CO, B6, DL, AA) 2. LAX (UA) 3. ORD (AA, UA) 4. WAS (UA, WN) 5. BOS (AA) 6. SFO (UA) 7. PHL (US) 8. DFW (AA) 9. IAH (CO) 10. ATL (DL, FL) 11. DTW (NW) 12. SEA (AS) 13. MSP (NW) 14. DEN (F9, UA) 15. CLE (CO) |
Originally Posted by ctownflyer
(Post 9251564)
2. LAX (UA)
6. SFO (UA) And if we're tossing BWI/WAS together to add WN, we should probably put OAK/SJC in with the Bay Area and note WN (OAK) and AA (SJC). |
Originally Posted by ctownflyer
(Post 9251564)
A more logical statistic to use would be CLE CSA (Combined Statistical Area), because this is the true area that CLE draws O/D passengers from.
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Originally Posted by ctownflyer
(Post 9251564)
A more logical statistic to use would be CLE CSA (Combined Statistical Area), because this is the true area that CLE draws O/D passengers from.
Here are the 15 largest CSA's primary airports in the nation. Note that all 15 are hubs. 1. NYC (CO, B6, DL, AA) 2. LAX (UA) 3. ORD (AA, UA) 4. WAS (UA, WN) 5. BOS (AA) 6. SFO (UA) 7. PHL (US) 8. DFW (AA) 9. IAH (CO) 10. ATL (DL, FL) 11. DTW (NW) 12. SEA (AS) 13. MSP (NW) 14. DEN (F9, UA) 15. CLE (CO) |
Originally Posted by ctownflyer
(Post 9251564)
A more logical statistic to use would be CLE CSA (Combined Statistical Area), because this is the true area that CLE draws O/D passengers from.
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Originally Posted by channa
(Post 9251788)
LAX is actually UA/AA and to some extent DL/AS.
And if we're tossing BWI/WAS together to add WN, we should probably put OAK/SJC in with the Bay Area and note WN (OAK) and AA (SJC). Is there such a code for SFO/OAK/SJC? Does LAX really qualify as an AA hub? |
Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 9251917)
Sure, but that only reinforces my point. If CLE is the 15th biggest market, yet only the 35th busiest airport, then CLE draws less traffic than it should, and looks even worse as a hub.
Also I'd be curious to know where CLE fell in the 2007 rank of airport boardings. |
Originally Posted by supermasterphil
(Post 9251897)
Why did I expect LAS in that list? Should be way more important than CLE for example.
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