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Cost Cutting: No Coffee prior to takeoff on 737-300/500

Cost Cutting: No Coffee prior to takeoff on 737-300/500

 
Old Apr 9, 08, 3:15 pm
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Cost Cutting: No Coffee prior to takeoff on 737-300/500

New policy as of about 2 weeks ago. No coffee in F prior to take off as it requires the APU to be running which takes a lot of fuel which unfortunately costs too much right now. Beware if you have an early morning flight and are planning on waking up with that first cup.

Sounds like one of those too funny to be true ideas, but that's the reason I was given.

Evidently, only the 737-300/500 series planes require the APU to be running for the coffee pot to work. The other planes don't need the APU so this policy doesn't affect them.

Anyone else have the same experience?
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Old Apr 9, 08, 3:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Wilco_FT View Post
New policy as of about 2 weeks ago. No coffee in F prior to take off as it requires the APU to be running which takes a lot of fuel which unfortunately costs too much right now. Beware if you have an early morning flight and are planning on waking up with that first cup.

Sounds like one of those too funny to be true ideas, but that's the reason I was given.

Evidently, only the 737-300/500 series planes require the APU to be running for the coffee pot to work. The other planes don't need the APU so this policy doesn't affect them.

Anyone else have the same experience?
Nope. I'm surprised folks drink what passes for coffee aboard planes. I dunno whether it's the water, the brewing process, dirty carafes, the pressurization, or a combination of factors, but I've never had a good cup of coffee aboard a plane.
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Old Apr 9, 08, 3:22 pm
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I noticed something about this on one of the crew bulletin board sites a few weeks ago. This is the bulletin one of the crew members on the board posted.

Bulletin 08-39
March 20, 2008

Subject: Brewing Pre-Departure Coffee on 737-300 and 737-500 A/C Policy

With fuel prices at historic highs we continue to explore fuel saving opportunities in our operation. B737 classic aircraft require APU use to make coffee at the gate. Financial, operational and customer service analysis indicates that a substantial fuel savings (nearly $1 million annually) may be gained by not operating the APU on B737 aircraft for the sole purpose of making coffee. Effective April 1, 2008, Inflight and Flight Operations will implement the following procedures on B737 300 and 500 aircraft:

1. The APU will not be turned on for exclusive use to provide pressure for the coffee makers for pre-departure on the 737 Classics.
2. If the APU has been turned on for other reasons, (cabin temperature considerations) crews are to provide hot coffee for the pre-departure service.
3. Pre-departure service on other fleet types is not affected by this procedure and we will continue to provide pre-departure hot coffee since the APU is not required for providing pressure for the coffee makers.

The potential inconsistency noticed by our customers in comparison to the other fleet types is expected to be minimal.

For those flights that will not have use of coffee makers for morning departures, suggest orange, apple, tomato or cranberry juice for a pre-departure beverage and let our customers know that a fresh pot of coffee will be available after take off.

Please offer the best possible service to our customers while trying to gain this potential fuel savings.
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Old Apr 9, 08, 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter View Post
Nope. I'm surprised folks drink what passes for coffee aboard planes. I dunno whether it's the water, the brewing process, dirty carafes, the pressurization, or a combination of factors, but I've never had a good cup of coffee aboard a plane.
I think it's the water. Never cared for the coffee and when I found out the OJ was concentrate mixed with water by the FA (instead of directly from a carton) I stopped drinking that too.
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Our orange juice does come from a carton.
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Old Apr 9, 08, 4:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter View Post
I'm surprised folks drink what passes for coffee aboard planes.
nail, head. people should spring for the $2 and get a real cup on the way to the plane. i always bring my own java on board.

this is no big woop in my book.
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CO's coffee tastes like burnt paper. The coffee in the P Clubs is only marginally better.
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Maybe it's just me . . .

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CO's coffee tastes like burnt paper. The coffee in the P Clubs is only marginally better.
I have actually had some pretty good coffee on CO flights; usually CLE-SFO or back in F. Some has been horrible, too, but not always.

By the way (and maybe this has already been addressed elsewhere), but does anyone else know when the cold plate was replaced by peanuts and pretzels on the shorter flights in F? And is this related to fuel charges as well?
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Originally Posted by fly co to see the yanks View Post
nail, head. people should spring for the $2 and get a real cup on the way to the plane. i always bring my own java on board.

this is no big woop in my book.
I've always wondered how you manage to get through security. Between the live calf, slaughtering equipment, pressure-cooker, utensils, condiments, coffee bush, roaster, press, grinder, Juan Valdez, Donkey, grain, copper pot-still, Scotsman, printing press, editor, audio-video equipment and stink shield, do you have this strapped to your back?
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Too funny

Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter View Post
I've always wondered how you manage to get through security. Between the live calf, slaughtering equipment, pressure-cooker, utensils, condiments, coffee bush, roaster, press, grinder, Juan Valdez, Donkey, grain, copper pot-still, Scotsman, printing press, editor, audio-video equipment and stink shield, do you have this strapped to your back?
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Originally Posted by Anglo Large Clawed Otter View Post
I've always wondered how you manage to get through security. Between the live calf, slaughtering equipment, pressure-cooker, utensils, condiments, coffee bush, roaster, press, grinder, Juan Valdez, Donkey, grain, copper pot-still, Scotsman, printing press, editor, audio-video equipment and stink shield, do you have this strapped to your back?
i could bring all that stuff. instead, i bring two egg mcmuffins (no bacon) and one coffee (cream and sugar).
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Originally Posted by fly co to see the yanks View Post
i could bring all that stuff. instead, i bring two egg mcmuffins (no bacon) and one coffee (cream and sugar).
Don't like veal, eh?
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I think it's the water. Never cared for the coffee and when I found out the OJ was concentrate mixed with water by the FA (instead of directly from a carton) I stopped drinking that too.
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CO OJ is usually Minute Maid and it comes from a carton. I drink lots of OJ on CO and have always seen them use a carton, and I have seen them open it many times. Never since I began flying with CO in 1998 have I ever see OJ come from someting that was not a carton or container. None of this mix stuff you are talking about. Least not on CO.

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I miss the Timothy's Coffee they used to brew in PCs and aircraft ... it's been a couple of years now that they have had that other stuff...
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Old Apr 9, 08, 5:07 pm
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Originally Posted by kingalien View Post
I think it's the water. Never cared for the coffee and when I found out the OJ was concentrate mixed with water by the FA (instead of directly from a carton) I stopped drinking that too.
It's NW who mixes the OJ concentrate with - get this - water from the LAV! Policy or not, I've seen it with my own eyes, and I won't drink anything on NW unless it comes from a sealed container. There was a thread on the NW forum awhile back where someone caught the FA using lav water for coffee AND refilling the bottled water container.
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