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rbrenton88 Mar 13, 2007 10:33 am

Regarding the announcements on Delta being better...
I was on a trans atlantic the other day from Ukraine. The pilot seemed to enjoy breaking into the movie frequently to update us on the weather, arrival time, etc. This is fine, but then the FA had to repeat the message in both Russian and Ukranian, in a disorganized way of speaking with loads of pauses and afterthoughts. Meanwhile, the movie is paused while they ramble on. It became quite annoying by the 7th or 8th 'update'.

kingalien Mar 13, 2007 1:00 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 7388019)
Which is why I cashed in the 15K - I heard the EWR/SEA dinner flight was about the hardest EUA in the system

I'm surprised that an upgrade was even available with miles redemption. I thought each seat usually sells.

sechs Mar 14, 2007 4:52 pm


Originally Posted by Syzygies (Post 7388336)
Then again, no jetway at SJC. It's a grass field. The information booth inside closes at 9pm when the electric generator shuts off, sort of like some islands I have visited.

Still, the $50 cab fare to the Fremont BART station (forget any other option) isn't a bad price for an upgrade.

This is a joke, right?

All of terminal A has jetways, and some of the airlines in C have bothered to pony-up. I'm not sure that there's any grass at SJC, let alone in the field.

No moron takes a cab to the Fremont BART when there's a free bus to the Caltrain station. At that point, you should have just flown into OAK.

mike_plat Mar 14, 2007 10:37 pm


Originally Posted by sechs (Post 7403683)
This is a joke, right?

All of terminal A has jetways, and some of the airlines in C have bothered to pony-up. I'm not sure that there's any grass at SJC, let alone in the field.

No moron takes a cab to the Fremont BART when there's a free bus to the Caltrain station. At that point, you should have just flown into OAK.


Not so fast. If you fly to OAK you a cold plate from IAH. He's talking about the EWR-SJC flight, which serves the international BF meal. :p It's worth the cab ride.

P.S. You have a Peninsula view of the world.

mike_plat Mar 14, 2007 10:39 pm

Never mind

vsevolod4 Mar 14, 2007 11:43 pm


Originally Posted by mike_plat (Post 7388434)
Thanks for the info. My sister lives near EWR, and my office is 2 miles from the SJC airport (but I live in SF). I am actually trying the SJC-EWR round trip in June. I'll let you know how it goes. By the way, SJC is not SFO, but I think the SJC airport has changed a lot from back when silicon was still sand.

I do EWR-SFO regularly but flew EWR-SJC yesterday; no problem, EUA cleared 5 days before the flight. On SFO flights, I'm batting around 500.

SJC airport is a disaster area; almost like something in India. Not even a jetway, the layout of everything including the car rentals, the shuttles, etc. must have been designed by engineers angry at the city.

This must be the best dinner I've ever had in a 737. Printed menu with 4 choices including veal osso buco, herb-crusted chicken sprinkled with air-dried beef, broiled halibut and a pasta bowl. The osso buco was better than a lot of international F or C meals.

Looking forward to those 757s with AVOD for the transcon flights.

mike_plat Mar 15, 2007 12:13 am


Originally Posted by vsevolod4 (Post 7405721)
I do EWR-SFO regularly but flew EWR-SJC yesterday; no problem, EUA cleared 5 days before the flight. On SFO flights, I'm batting around 500.

SJC airport is a disaster area; almost like something in India. Not even a jetway, the layout of everything including the car rentals, the shuttles, etc. must have been designed by engineers angry at the city.

This must be the best dinner I've ever had in a 737. Printed menu with 4 choices including veal osso buco, herb-crusted chicken sprinkled with air-dried beef, broiled halibut and a pasta bowl. The osso buco was better than a lot of international F or C meals.

Looking forward to those 757s with AVOD for the transcon flights.

They actually are serving their international BusinessFirst meals on the transcons. It's quite nice.

Was it on a particular day of the week that you flew this route? I'm going on a Sunday in June from EWR to SJC. I'm not too hopeful, but we'll see. If it doesn't work, then it's goodbye CO Platinum...what's the point?

bocastephen Mar 15, 2007 8:52 am


Originally Posted by vsevolod4 (Post 7405721)
...

This must be the best dinner I've ever had in a 737. Printed menu with 4 choices including veal osso buco, herb-crusted chicken sprinkled with air-dried beef, broiled halibut and a pasta bowl. The osso buco was better than a lot of international F or C meals.

Looking forward to those 757s with AVOD for the transcon flights.

I had the herb crusted chicken on EWR/SEA - it was delicious and pretty much restaurant quality. Perfectly cooked white meat without a hint of dryness, shrouded in a thin, crispy and flavorful skin. Accompanied by two styles of smoked salmon, a nicely presented salad, warmed bread choices, and finished off with an ice cream sundae, it was a domestic inflight meal that would be the envy of any airline and not easily matched by many restaurants on the ground.

Syzygies Mar 15, 2007 9:22 am


Originally Posted by sechs (Post 7403683)
This is a joke, right?

All of terminal A has jetways, and some of the airlines in C have bothered to pony-up. I'm not sure that there's any grass at SJC, let alone in the field.

No moron takes a cab to the Fremont BART when there's a free bus to the Caltrain station. At that point, you should have just flown into OAK.

No jetway: This is the case for CO flights.
Grass field: I have taken off from grass fields in Scotland. I got confused.
Info closes at 9pm: I was guessing it was because of an electric generator, but I'm not sure.
India: Any comparison here is a slur on Indian airports, which I love.

Now, a moron's view of public transit from SJC:

There is a free shuttle to exactly one CalTrain that one "might" make after an evening landing, that reaches Millbrae before the last BART train of the evening. Go for it, if EWR-SJC gets in early, and you don't mind the one hour CalTrain ride on top of all the waiting times.

There is a convoluted system of public transportation that reaches the Fremont BART station. It takes 90 minutes; the cab ride takes less than 30 minutes. I compared notes on the BART platform with a jetBlue passenger from BOS who arrived the hard way.

I'd print out directions from SJC to Fremont to keep the cabbie honest; the fare is quoted inside as $25-$50 but at that hour traffic moves along, the fare is based on a drop + mileage and should be extremely predictable, unless the cabbie gets "confused" and elaborates the route. I'd say if the tip doesn't fit inside $50, something odd happened.

I've done plenty of EWR-SFO nonstops, and various indirects between area airports stopping in IAH. This EWR-SJC run has the advantage of being nonstop with transcon service and good upgrade prospects. Right now tickets are a bit cheaper than EWR-SFO, helping to subsidize the cab fare, though there's a wild sale going on NYC-SFO to check out, if the indirect works.

Keywords for future searches: SJC moron

Katy Mar 15, 2007 9:30 am

Too bad there's only the one red-eye from SJC to EWR -- I'd gladly put up with the hassle of getting to SJC, but that red-eye doesn't work with my travel schedule.

DTW-HomeyFour Mar 15, 2007 9:50 am


Originally Posted by vsevolod4 (Post 7405721)
SJC airport is a disaster area; almost like something in India. Not even a jetway, the layout of everything including the car rentals, the shuttles, etc. must have been designed by engineers angry at the city.

Flying into SJC is infinitely easier than SFO. 3 minutes from gate to the curb on a busy day. Granted, I fly NW and not CO, and neither of them care to pay for jetways. However, there are plenty of jetways at SJC for other airlines. I have a client in Fremont, and have tried SJC, SFO and OAK, and find SJC the easiest by far.

CO 1E Mar 15, 2007 10:02 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 7407350)
I had the herb crusted chicken on EWR/SEA - it was delicious and pretty much restaurant quality. Perfectly cooked white meat without a hint of dryness, shrouded in a thin, crispy and flavorful skin. Accompanied by two styles of smoked salmon, a nicely presented salad, warmed bread choices, and finished off with an ice cream sundae, it was a domestic inflight meal that would be the envy of any airline and not easily matched by many restaurants on the ground.

I had this entree (or something similar) in BF recently and agree that it was surprisingly delicious.

zeusscu Mar 15, 2007 10:08 am


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 7391563)
It's particularly frustrating to contrast the service levels between the "true" transcons and, say, EWR-LAS, which is only about 200 miles shorter.

I think I have been saying this for quite a while. CLE to LAX is also a "transcom" in terms of milage and time (45 min less than EWR) but our level of first class service is markedly degraded from what is delivered coast to coast. What is remarkable is that I will have done 3 of these in three weeks and have gotten no upgrades on the non-stops. This can only mean that CO is selling out the front of the plane and that means that people consider the toned down service to be worth the money when compared with the competition. I just wonder when the competition will wake up and realize that there is a subgroup of passengers willing to pay for a truely premium product.

Couldn't agree more! I was on an H fare BOS-EWR-SFO with a good shot at the SFO upgrade - switched to BOS-CLE-SFO due to the recommendation of the PC due to EWR weather. You can't imagine my surprise when my CLE-SFO flight was a cold plate with a couple pieces of salami and cheese!! At least I wasn't the guy next to me who'd paid for 4 FC tickets for him, his son and his grandchildren :rolleyes:

Given the high % of paid FC revenue in the CLE-SFO and CLE-LAX markets, I'm surprised they don't feature a better service.

sechs Mar 17, 2007 11:12 pm


Originally Posted by mike_plat (Post 7405476)
Not so fast. If you fly to OAK you a cold plate from IAH. He's talking about the EWR-SJC flight, which serves the international BF meal. :p It's worth the cab ride.

Obviously, you haven't considered that you're flying the wrong airline here. The meal is good... but not worth fifty bucks *and* a cab ride to the *BART* station.



P.S. You have a Peninsula view of the world.
My feeling is that this is an attempt at an insult... but since I don't live on a peninsula, it's obviously missed its mark.

mike_plat Mar 18, 2007 12:40 am


Originally Posted by sechs (Post 7423121)
Obviously, you haven't considered that you're flying the wrong airline here. The meal is good... but not worth fifty bucks *and* a cab ride to the *BART* station.



My feeling is that this is an attempt at an insult... but since I don't live on a peninsula, it's obviously missed its mark.



Dude, you were the one to turn this into a snotty exchange. Everyone's free to come and go to whichever airport they want to and go from the airport to home by whatever means.

As for my usage of the San Jose airport, I guess I just lost my head when I thought of flying out of SJC, which is 2 miles from my office, to visit my sister, who lives 15 miles west of EWR.


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