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Originally Posted by channa
A "co-terminal" would be sometihng like BWI/WAS, EWR/NYC, SFO/OAK/SJC, LAX/BUR/ONT/SNA or other such combination. A co-terminal is a completely different animal, and carries with it a completely different (and more restrictive) set of rules.
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Originally Posted by xyzzy
Based on the quoted text in a post far above this one (containing the words "Co-terminal" and the same list of airport codes), Continental sees a "co-terminal" to be the same list of "same point" places that I quoted. I get your point, but I've always seen the same basic list except for UA who used to have OAK and SFO as co-terminals as well.
Your post, however, was verbatim out of CO's fare rules, and was completely accurate usage. From CO's contract of carriage, "Co-Terminal means specified cities which may be considered the same point for determination of journey type," which is pretty much all co-terminal is good for. Not standby, just faring. CO does indeed consider EWR/NYC, WAS/BWI, SFO/OAK/SJC, etc. as co-terminals. |
Interesting! You are the expert :D
By the way, I found an "I" (or was that an "L"?) fare EWR-MDW that has the same standard "same point" language as above but that also has a "Flight Applications" section that says this: FARE RULES TEXT THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL FROM/TO MDW AIRPORT. NOTE - STANDBY TRAVEL FOR THIS FARE IS NOT ALLOWED AT ORD AIRPORT. |
I have never tried to make this switch,but as a side note,each of my itineraries that are booked to and from BWI show up listed as Washington DC.Could this be a leftover from a time when they were considered co-terminals?
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It was quite awhile ago, so I can't recall the fare details from that specific trip, but I re-created it using WAS as the destination, and this is what I found:
NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT- EFD-HOU EFD-IAH HOU-IAH IAD-DCA MDW-ORD LGA-JFK The routing for the lowest fare was an X class going to IAD - X class is not published from EWR to DCA, only to IAD. The lowest class published to DCA is U, which prices higher. A fare class is not published to an airport I want to standby to, yet the fare class I am booked in states the ticketed airport and my requested airport are actually the same point. So...which over-rides which? The fare rule or the class of service? |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
It was quite awhile ago, so I can't recall the fare details from that specific trip, but I re-created it using WAS as the destination, and this is what I found:
NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT- EFD-HOU EFD-IAH HOU-IAH IAD-DCA MDW-ORD LGA-JFK The routing for the lowest fare was an X class going to IAD - X class is not published from EWR to DCA, only to IAD. The lowest class published to DCA is U, which prices higher. A fare class is not published to an airport I want to standby to, yet the fare class I am booked in states the ticketed airport and my requested airport are actually the same point. So...which over-rides which? The fare rule or the class of service? |
Originally Posted by freeflyin
I have never tried to make this switch,but as a side note,each of my itineraries that are booked to and from BWI show up listed as Washington DC.Could this be a leftover from a time when they were considered co-terminals?
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Originally Posted by channa
Provided there's no language in your fare that says "VALID TO/FROM IAD" or similar, you can standby to/from DCA.
Well, at least I burned off the starbucks pumpkin spice latte while walking from CO's IAD gate back to the main terminal :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by channa
I wouldn't base much on that post. I'm not sure where that other post came from. Not only have I never seen that language before, it's also an incorrect usage of the term "co-terminal." I think it's that poster's guess at the language, as there's no source cited.
XA7IMSN, EWR-WAS, from expertflyer.com: CO-TERMINALS -THE FOLLOWING GROUPS OF CITIES ARE CONSIDERED TO BE THE SAME POINT EFD - HOU - IAH, IAD - DCA, LGA - JFK, MDW - ORD. C. UNLESS RESTRICTED BY THE FARE CHARGED- WHEN TICKETED FROM/TO CHI/HOU/NYC/WAS- PASSENGERS MAY CHECK-IN AND STANDBY FROM/TO ONE OFAIRPORTS LISTED BELOW. CITY - AIRPORT CHI - MDW/ORD HOU - HOU/IAH NYC - JFK/LGA WAS - DCA/IAD APPLICABLE FARE DIFFERENCE AND/OR CHG FEE AS OUTLINED IN A AND B ABOVE WILL APPLY. NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME POINT- EFD-HOU EFD-IAH HOU-IAH IAD-DCA MDW-ORD LGA-JFK |
Originally Posted by emj
So, my understanding is that fares between EWR-ORD and EWR-MDW are basically the same, and changing between the two airports not considered a routing change. Same with EWR-DCA and EWR-IAD, for example.
Another annoyance was that no one could produce for me a copy of the rule in effect on my ticket. They kept saying that I had bought whatever fare it was, but no one could show me what the rules for that fare were -- VERY frustrating. So if you are flying on CO to a CoTerm destination, make sure you actually read the fare rules (and you can only see them before you purchase, not after). S. |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
I suggest researching your fare basis and rules before heading to the airport - possibly even printing out what you find that shows it's permissable (same fare class published, co-terminals allowed) in case you run into an issue.
Being "right" means little if you can't do anything about it. If you plan on applying little-used rules, it is wise to have them in writing. :) Most supervisors know how to read. |
Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
Most supervisors know how to read. |
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