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duxfan Oct 30, 2003 12:48 pm

Mainline to replace some RJ flying at CLE!
 
Sadly, AA is the airline that sees the opportunity. 3 MD80 flights (with MRTC) replacing some Eagle service...

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031030/dath043_1.html

I know it's cruel to tease, but AA must be taking market share from CO in the CLE-ORD market. And their yields must be high enough to justify the bigger aircraft. Is this a sign that CO's strategy of frequent COEX flights from CLE could be failing?

IndustrialPatent Oct 30, 2003 1:14 pm

FWIW, here's something I compiled awhile ago... it shows departures ex-CLE for scheduled airlines. Numbers reflect the PEAK days of the week during this fall -- keep in mind that CO's schedule can drop by as much as 50% on Saturdays:

Air Canada
Toronto - 4 (DH1)

America West
Phoenix - 2 (A319, A320)

American
Chicago - 8 (5 ERJ, 3 MD80)
Dallas/Fort Worth - 5 (CR7)
Miami - 1 (MD-80)
NYC-LaGuardia - 5 (ERJ)

Delta
Atlanta - 8 (2 CRJ, 5 B732, MD88)
Cincinnati - 8 (2 FRJ, 3 CRJ, 3 B732)

Northwest
Detroit - 8 (2 SF3, 5 D9S, D95)
Minneapolis/St. Paul - 4 (3 D9S, D95)

Southwest
Balimore - 5 (3 733, 2 73G)
Chicago-Midway - 8 (1 735, 4 733, 3 73G)
Nashville - 4 (1 733, 3 73G)
Orlando - Saturday only
Phoenix - Saturday only
St. Louis - 3 (2 733, 73G)

United
Chicago-O'Hare - 6 (2 B735, 4 B733)
Denver - 2 (B735, B733)
Washington, D.C.-Dulles - 4 (CRJ)

USA 3000
Fort Lauderdale (begins December)
St. Petersburg - 1 (A320)
Ft. Myers - 1 (A320)

US Airways
Charlotte - 4 (2 CRJ, ERJ, 733)
Pittsburgh - 5 (SF3)
Philadelphia - 6 (CRJ)

Continental
BE1 - 45
ERJ - 160
735 - 6
733 - 14
73G - 6
M80 - 1
738 - 12
739 - 4
752 -2

Albany - 4 (ERJ)
Allentown PA - 3 (ERJ)
Atlanta - 5 (ERJ)
Austin - 1 (ERJ)
Baltimore - 4 (735, 73G, 738, 752)
Boston - 4 (735, 3x733)
Buffalo - 4 (ERJ)
Burlington VT - 1 (ERJ)
Cancun - Saturday only
Charleston WV - 3 (BE1)
Charlotte - 4 (ERJ)
Chicago-Midway - 5 (ERJ)
Chicago-O'Hare - 8 (ERJ)
Cincinnati - 5 (BE1)
Columbus - 4 (ERJ)
Dallas/Fort Worth - 3 (ERJ)
Dayton - 4 (ERJ)
Denver - 2 (ERJ, 733)
Detroit - 3 (ERJ)
Elmira NY - 3 (BE1)
Erie PA - 4 (BE1)
Flint - 4 (BE1)
Fort Lauderdale - 2 (733, 738)
Fort Myers - 2 (733)
Fort Wayne - 4 (BE1)
Grand Rapids - 4 (ERJ)
Greenvile/Spartanburg - 2 (ERJ)
Harrisburg PA - 3 (ERJ)
Hartford - 4 (ERJ)
Houston-Intercontinental - 6 (735, 733, M80, 738, 2x739)
Indianapolis - 5 (ERJ)
Kalamazoo - 3 (BE1)
Kansas City - 4 (ERJ)
Knoxville - 2 (ERJ)
Lansing - 3 (BE1)
Las Vegas - 4 (738, 2x739, 752)
Lexington - 2 (ERJ)
Los Angeles - 2 (738)
Louisville - 4 (ERJ)
Madison - 2 (ERJ)
Manchester NH - 4 (ERJ)
Memphis - 3 (ERJ)
Miami - 1 (73G)
Milwaukee - 5 (ERJ)
Minneapolis/St. Paul - 4 (ERJ)
Montreal - 3 (ERJ)
Nashville - 3 (ERJ)
New Orleans - 2 (ERJ)
NYC-Islip - 2 (ERJ)
NYC-JFK - 1 (ERJ)
NYC-LaGuardia - 9 (6 ERJ, 2 733, 738)
NYC-Newark - 6 (2 735, 733, 73G, 2 738)
Norfolk - 3 (ERJ)
Orlando - 2 (73G, 738)
Philadelphia - 4 (3 ERJ, 735)
Phoenix - 2 (733, 738)
Pittsburgh - 4 (BE1)
Providence - 4 (ERJ)
Raleigh/Durham - 4 (ERJ)
Richmond VA - 3 (ERJ)
Rochester NY - 3 (ERJ)
Saginaw - 4 (BE1)
San Antonio - 2 (ERJ)
San Francisco - 1 (738)
San Juan - Saturday/Sunday only
Seattle - 1 (73G)
South Bend - 4 (BE1)
St. Louis - 4 (ERJ)
Syracuse - 3 (ERJ)
Tampa - 2 (733)
Toledo - 4 (BE1)
Toronto - 4 (ERJ)
Washington, D.C.-Dulles - 3 (ERJ)
Washington, D.C.-National - 4 (3 ERJ, 73G)
West Palm Beach - 1 (ERJ)
Westchester County - 4 (ERJ)
Wilkes-Barre/Scranton PA - 3 (BE1)

HighFlyer3 Oct 30, 2003 1:49 pm

Actually, American's conversion of three regional jet flights to mainline (MD-80s) is primarily due to the downsizing of the St. Louis hub. Effective November 1st, American will no longer fly from STL to CLE, which has been recently served by 5 daily MD-80s. Since American deemed this to be a "low fare" route (Thanks to Southwest), the route is being discontinued and AA is attempting to redirect CLE west-bound passengers to connect in ORD.

Aside from that, I do think it is worth noting that Cleveland's primary airline, Continental, has no mainline jets on the ORD-CLE route, while AA and UA have nine daily mainline flights between them.

ronin Oct 30, 2003 3:23 pm

Continental's trend is not abating. Someday we will look back fondly on those Brazilian widebody ERJs.

This week I flew between CLE and CVG. CO offered the shortened RJ (about 40 seats). As of next week, CO's flight in the same timeframe has been downsized to a Beech 1900 (about 18 seats). I believe this equipment change reflects an ongoing commitment to allowing a more personal service in an intimate, passenger-valued travelspace, together with the undeniably alluring pampering that guarantees the traveler the utmost in his or her transit experience- every seat a window seat AND every seat an aisle seat AND never a middle seat.

As a footnote... my return trip in the same market was aboard a Delta 737... that's right, a hawg- good old American heavy metal jumbo jet made of Seattle iron (ok, aluminum).

A little soul searching is in order prior to next booking...


Engines turn Oct 30, 2003 4:33 pm

73 non-stop markets on less than 50 mainline flights per day. Is the cup half full or half empty?

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...or passengers swim.

duxfan Oct 31, 2003 8:34 am


<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ronin:
A little soul searching is in order prior to next booking...

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I took that same idea to heart earlier this year. Only 2 CO segments this year!



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