EWR-HNL BusinessFirst fares?

 
Old Feb 10, 03, 11:50 pm
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EWR-HNL BusinessFirst fares?

What is the distribution of great/good/average/high BusinessFirst fares? I know it was mentioned on some thread that I can't find anymore that someone saw a 2.4k RT fare. The best CO has right now is a 2.8k RT fare.

As an example, decent discounted coach fares run between 550 and 700. Prices have been as low as in the 300's. Around the Christmas/New Years holidays I find anything below $1000 acceptable.
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Old Feb 11, 03, 6:37 am
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Good question.. We have some vouchers to burn and family consensus is HNL again. I am getting tired of the HoKeY hunt, esp for 4 pax, so was thinking about actually PURCHASING BF.. Are there ever any decent BF fares NYC-HNL, even with connections? (Must be thru CO to use the vouchers)

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Old Feb 11, 03, 7:49 am
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for travel this past winter CO's fares were stubbornly high north of $1,000 coach Newark Liberty (EWR) to Honolulu (HNL). i looked for months.

but, for a three or four day period in october'ish, the fares fluctuated constantly from about $1,600 to $750. one hour they were $1,600, the next they were $750. who the heck knows why. so, i was able to get $750 for two tix.

p.s.-the flights were packed.

edited to add: i now see that the title was looking for BusinessFirst fares. but the original post (second paragraph) also discussed coach fares.

[This message has been edited by fly co to see the yanks (edited 02-11-2003).]
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Old Feb 11, 03, 4:03 pm
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I go to Hawaii frequently on CO and have been checking fares almost daily for the last few months.

Coach fares from NYC have been bouncing between $511 and $1100 (they're at $511 r/t now for travel through the next 3 months.)

BF fares have been as low as $2.3k and as high as $4.2k ...right now, they're at the $2.9k someone referenced above.

One thing I have noticed is the inter-island segments can often swing dramatically as well. For example, EWR-HNL is $511 but EWR-KOA (or OGG) via HNL is $1,027. If you book HNL-KOA (OGG) separately, that current r/t fare is $125.

As far as upgradeable fares, CO's lowest to HNL from NYC is $711 now (and this too ranges from $650 to $950 r/t.)

So the debate is:
-do you want to pay $2.9k for a confirmed BF to HNL
-do you want to pay $711 + miles for a shot at BF to HNL

and

-do you buy a separate ticket for onward travel beyond HNL within Hawaii
or
-do you redeem a 10k mileage award for free interisland travel
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Old Feb 12, 03, 12:14 am
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BTW, you all should be aware that there are decent fares EWR-HNL up to 330 days out. I've bought my Thanksgiving and Christmas/New Year's tickets already.
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Old Feb 14, 03, 11:57 pm
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something else to consider if you have stray miles on other airlines

AA costs 5000 miles for RT interisland on AQ (aloha)
NWA does same on Hawaiian
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Old Feb 15, 03, 12:12 am
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I flew EWR-HNL a couple days ago, and even though our flight was packed (Pres. Day Weekend), the people in the President's Club said that loads have really been light--maybe 60-70 in Y and 5-7 in BF. They were quite concerned.

That SHOULD lead to some good deals, although I heard CO RAISED their fares today, to try to generate more revenue! Makes a lot of sense: people are afraid to fly; they're tired of the hassles; so now we raise the fares to see if we can attract more revenue.

Anyway, I guess it's usually easy right now to get an upgrade from HoKeY fares, or to upgrade using $ (I know, there's another thread about this floating around). Unless you go during a holiday, your chances are good for getting an UPREV or whatever they call it.
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Old Feb 16, 03, 3:08 am
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Why not just buy a full Y fare and then just use 5K miles to upgrade?

A full Y fare is upgradable to BizFirst on the spot, I believe and no Hokey is needed. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The full Y fares are not cheap, but still cheaper than paying full fare BizFirst.
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Old Feb 16, 03, 12:24 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by sgopal2:
Why not just buy a full Y fare and then just use 5K miles to upgrade?

A full Y fare is upgradable to BizFirst on the spot, I believe and no Hokey is needed. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

The full Y fares are not cheap, but still cheaper than paying full fare BizFirst.
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You are correct on all counts, but there's a big piece of the picture missing that applies only to the HNL routes: There's a D8 fare that's only $400 more round-trip than the Y8 fare. It's true that the J/J8 fare is about double the Y8 fare, but I can't imagine anyone actually buying the J fare to HNL. Unlike other BusinessFirst routes, there always seems to be a D fare published with the same (lack of)restrictions as J, and more importantly, D inventory is almost always available (it rarely is any different than J inventory).

So, for routes to HNL only, I can't ever imagine it making sense to buy a full Y ticket and upgrade. Not only do you spend a lot of miles to save just a bit on the ticket, you lose the 50% elite-qualifying class-of-service bonus miles.

However, sgopal2 offers excellent advice on BusinessFirst routes other than to HNL.
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Old Feb 16, 03, 6:25 pm
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Does a Y8 fare qualify for a YPASS upgrade? Don't tell CO, but I don't think I've ever purchased any Y fare (if someone squeals, please note that I have purchased J to London).

Besides, even in the best-case where I am allowed to upgrade Y8 to BF, the difference in RT fare is only $400 as mentioned above. With purchased BF you get the 50% status and real miles bonus - that would be 5k miles. Add in the 15k for the RT YPASS upgrade and you get 20k miles cost difference for buying Y8 vs. D8. At the semi-standard two cents a mile that makes it a wash in financial terms. Slight advantage to YPASS if you put the miles at less than two cents a mile.

Let me summarize...Advantages to Y8 and YPASS upgrade:
1. $400 cash

Advantages to D8 fare:
1. Don't burn 15k OnePass miles
2. Earn an additional 5k elite qualifying miles.
2. D inventory instead of Z.

Conclusion: Buy the D8 fare or play HoKeY.
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