What constitutes cabotage?

 
Old Feb 16, 12, 10:19 am
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What constitutes cabotage?

Asked continental.com to price out a one-way trip SEA-LAX. It gave me SEA-YVR-LAX, displayed as though it were on a single ticket. Is that legal?

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Old Feb 16, 12, 10:27 am
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Note the flight SEA-YVR is on Air Canada, so it's not cabotage. It would not be possible if it were Skywest for both segments.
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Old Feb 16, 12, 12:37 pm
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Originally Posted by SEA1K4EVR View Post
Note the flight SEA-YVR is on Air Canada, so it's not cabotage. It would not be possible if it were Skywest for both segments.
I don't see why not. Isn't cabotage when a foreign carrier provides transportation between two domestic points? In this case, the origin and destination are both in the US, so a US carrier should be able to provide that transport, even if there's a connection in Canada. What would not be permitted is for a Canadian carrier to fly both segments.
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Old Feb 16, 12, 12:41 pm
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SEA AC YVR AC LAX is cabotage.

SEA AC YVR UA LAX is not cabotage.

SEA UA YVR UA LAX is not cabotage.

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Might be able to almost charter a private plane for the $1500 fare.
Not even close!
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UA refused boarding on ORD->YVR (UA) YVR->SEA (QX) once.

Had to convince them I had really intended a 1 hour stop in Canada.

Of course, it was a IROPS re-route from AS, so that entire trip was nuts.
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Whats a cabotage?
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Old Feb 16, 12, 9:03 pm
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Originally Posted by nycboy View Post
Whats a cabotage?
8th/9th freedom of the air.
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Old Feb 16, 12, 10:32 pm
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This might help as well in explaining the freedoms (cabotage is the 9th freedom in this graphic):

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Old Feb 16, 12, 10:40 pm
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Originally Posted by J.Edward View Post
This might help as well in explaining the freedoms (cabotage is the 9th freedom in this graphic):
Cool!

However, 9th freedom (AFAIK) also includes the case of an airline from countrty Y flying from country X, connecting in Y, with the destination in X.

Sort of like example 6, except where the start and end are in the same country.

OZ got in trouble for this for offering GUM-SEL-XXX (XXX being in the US).
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Old Feb 17, 12, 5:31 am
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Originally Posted by SEA1K4EVR View Post
Note the flight SEA-YVR is on Air Canada, so it's not cabotage. It would not be possible if it were Skywest for both segments.
Though the OP's example isn't cabotage, the reasoning above is incorrect, as far as I'm aware.

It isn't cabotage because a US-based carrier has the ability to sell a ticket from a US destination to another US destination. They could connect in FRA for all anyone cares (though that's a long trip).

On the other hand, if it was Air Canada selling that route, it would be cabotage.
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