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MChevreul Mar 8, 2011 11:04 am

Bait and Switch on codeshare EQM?
 
My wife and I have been platinum for some time. Naturally we purchase in a way to maximize EQM where possible. Twice in the last two months we have been victimized by what I would consider Bait & Switch tactics on the part of CO's website.

Our itinerary involved a stop in Frankfurt. We had a choice of returning either on a Continental-operated or a Lufthansa codeshare, The LH flight was marginally more convenient so that is what we booked on continental.com.

Continental.com stated, and the written receipt verifies, that the class of service was L, and that the EQM was 100%. I now know to my sorrow that L class in fact is 50% EQM--but continental.com, and the receipt, both state otherwise. Consequently, each of us is getting around 2,000 EQM less than continental.com promised.

I have just been on the phone with a CSR and her supervisor at the OnePass center for almost an hour. They absolutely refuse to budge. They say they are not responsible for what continental.com says or what the receipt says. It was my responsibility to go to Lufthansa's site and research the actual rules before buying the ticket.

They point also to a disclaimer at the bottom of the receipt, which says that the second carrier may change my class of service, in which case EQM may vary. But this did not apply. The ticket was purchased in L class, we flew in L class, the receipt says L class--100% EQM but as awarded it says L class--50%.

I obviously would never have purchased the ticket under these conditions and I reject the idea that I need to go to Lufthansa's site to verify that what continental.com is saying is true. It is Continental's responsibility IMHO to know what its agreements with Lufthansa are. Again, this is not a misunderstanding or a flight change--the ticket receipt clearly states, as did continental.com, 100% EQM for flying L class on a Lufthansa-operated CO codeshare.

To fight this further I see only the options of going to CO corporate or of filling a dispute to the ticket charge with the credit card company on the grounds of material misrepresentation. With my receipt in hand I think I would almost certainly prevail.

I'm almost up to a million miles on CO and have never had to fight city hall like this before. Is it worth it?

star_world Mar 8, 2011 11:16 am

It certainly is incredibly confusing, and it should have been fixed long ago. It's made even worse by the fact that not all fare classes map to the same fare class on the operating airline. In your case you can tell from this page http://www.continental.com/CMS/en-US...spx?ItemId=298 that you will only earn 50% for the LH L class but I agree, it certainly isn't shown that way when you search for the flights on co.com...

sbm12 Mar 8, 2011 12:05 pm

Did you read the * details?

I agree that it sucks that we have to, but they are there on every reservation in my account

OnePass Miles/
Elite Qualification*:
86 /100%

*Miles shown are the actual miles flown for this segment. Fare class, Elite Qualification Miles and other promotional bonuses are not included in the total miles shown. The miles accrued on codeshare flights are based on the operating carrier and their equivalent fare class. This could result in differences between the purchased booking class and the booking class flown, which determines the number of base and Elite Qualifying Miles and Elite Qualifying Points earned. OnePass miles are not awarded for travel on airlines that are not OnePass partners. Miles indicated for non-partner flights or flight segments will not be awarded. OnePass miles earned will vary depending on the Elite status of the customer.

IAHRyan Mar 8, 2011 12:07 pm

In Star Alliance, operating metal counts, not the marketing carrier. Lufthansa and Continental, respectively. So you're awarded miles, regardless of what the marketing carrier sells, based on the operating carrier's fare codes. Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's *A.

You were sold an L fare ticket on Lufthansa, not Continental. Lufthansa fares earn according to this table.

Carolinian Mar 8, 2011 1:03 pm

Regardless of all of those hidden details, the misrepresentations by CO constitute IMHO unfair and deceptive trade practices which would be in violation of consumer protection laws of most states and actionable in court. Those laws often provide for the consumer to recover treble damages plus attorney fees.

Also you have not received all you bargained for in your transaction with CO. CO represented that you would receive a certain number of miles and they have failed and refused to deliver them. You have not received the full benefit of the bargain. I would cite your state's consumer protection law, by statute number in your challenge with your credit card. I would calculate the value of the missing miles based on the rate at which CO sells them to members.

Also, CO was functioning as the agent of LH and operating within the scope of its duties, and there is an argument that the principle is liable for the representations of its agent.

sbm12 Mar 8, 2011 1:45 pm


Originally Posted by Carolinian (Post 15997778)
Regardless of all of those hidden details, the misrepresentations by CO constitute IMHO unfair and deceptive trade practices which would be in violation of consumer protection laws of most states and actionable in court. Those laws often provide for the consumer to recover treble damages plus attorney fees.

If they provide the warning text on every page in a font that it is the same size then how is it "hidden" from the user?

Carolinian Mar 8, 2011 1:57 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 15998064)
If they provide the warning text on every page in a font that it is the same size then how is it "hidden" from the user?

On these facts, I am not sure that the ''warning'' really covers the situation. He flew the same class as he bought. Also, it is a rule of construction that ambiguities are construed against whoever drafted them, and the BEST you can say about CO's representations here is that they are ambiguous.

They ought to get this right and they should be hammered on situations like this to give them a motive to do so.

IAHRyan Mar 8, 2011 3:08 pm

The OP bought an L fare ticket on Lufthansa, sold by CO. He did not buy a ticket for a CO flight. *That* is the key difference.

That’s the essence of the problem. Quite simply:

L on CO != L on LH

tanlines Mar 8, 2011 3:28 pm


Originally Posted by Carolinian (Post 15997778)
Regardless of all of those hidden details, the misrepresentations by CO constitute IMHO unfair and deceptive trade practices which would be in violation of consumer protection laws of most states and actionable in court. Those laws often provide for the consumer to recover treble damages plus attorney fees.

Also you have not received all you bargained for in your transaction with CO. CO represented that you would receive a certain number of miles and they have failed and refused to deliver them. You have not received the full benefit of the bargain. I would cite your state's consumer protection law, by statute number in your challenge with your credit card. I would calculate the value of the missing miles based on the rate at which CO sells them to members.

Also, CO was functioning as the agent of LH and operating within the scope of its duties, and there is an argument that the principle is liable for the representations of its agent.

That all sounds good on paper, but what is the person's real "damages"?

The lost "value" of the "2000 EQMs" --- which can be purchased from the airline (via e.g., Mileage Maximizer) for about 7.5 cpm..... hence their "value" is about $150 per ticket.

Is someone REALLY going to hire an attorney to sue the airline in a superior court for $300? (treble damages/attorneys' fees, etc. etc. aren't usually recoverable in small claims courts).

An A- for "wishful thinking" perhaps, but a D- for practicality/reality. ;)

mduell Mar 8, 2011 3:43 pm


Originally Posted by MChevreul (Post 15996975)
Our itinerary involved a stop in Frankfurt. We had a choice of returning either on a Continental-operated or a Lufthansa codeshare, The LH flight was marginally more convenient so that is what we booked on continental.com.

Which two of the following were your options:
1) CO marketed, CO operated
2) CO marketed, LH operated
3) LH marketed, CO operated
4) LH marketed, LH operated

Regardless, if your receipt says 100% I'd file a DOT complaint. CO probably won't react to it, but if the DOT receives enough similar complaints they'll look into it and may resolve the issue long term.

MChevreul Mar 8, 2011 3:55 pm


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 15998787)
Which two of the following were your options:
1) CO marketed, CO operated
2) CO marketed, LH operated
3) LH marketed, CO operated
4) LH marketed, LH operated

Regardless, if your receipt says 100% I'd file a DOT complaint. CO probably won't react to it, but if the DOT receives enough similar complaints they'll look into it and may resolve the issue long term.

The first two only. I went only to continental.com, which indicated that both yield 100% EQM. It would have been easy to choose #1 if continental.com had been truthful about the actual EQM.


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 15998064)
If they provide the warning text on every page in a font that it is the same size then how is it "hidden" from the user?

The "warning"--which, BTW, is about 1/5 the size of the "100%"--warns me that if the class of service changes, the EQM may change also. It doesn't apply in this case. I bought L class and flew L class. continental.com explicitly says L class, 100%.

sbm12 Mar 8, 2011 5:14 pm


Originally Posted by MChevreul (Post 15998853)
The "warning"--which, BTW, is about 1/5 the size of the "100%"--warns me that if the class of service changes, the EQM may change also. It doesn't apply in this case. I bought L class and flew L class. continental.com explicitly says L class, 100%.

On my screen they display the same size. And co.com does not explicitly say that L class = 100%. It says that CO-operated L-class = 100%. Read this again:

The miles accrued on codeshare flights are based on the operating carrier and their equivalent fare class.
A LH-operated L fare has very specific earning rates that are displayed on the co.com site under OnePass | Earning | Partners | Lufthansa.

You can fight it and they might give it to you or they might not, but the rules are what they are and they are stated as such on the page where you see the reservation.

MChevreul Mar 8, 2011 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 15999260)
On my screen they display the same size.

Well, to be exact, the 100% is in bold type, 1.4x larger than the light type of the disclaimer. I apologize for the previous exaggeratior, and suggest we move on.


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 15999260)
And co.com does not explicitly say that L class = 100%. It says that CO-operated L-class = 100%.

Here is the precise wording of my receipt.

OnePass Miles/Elite Qualification: 3,869/100%*
Flight: CO 5008
Aircraft: Airbus A340-300
Fare Class: Economy (L)
Meal: Meal
*Flight CO 5008 is operated by Lufthansa

This certainly suggests to me that Continental is aware that they have sold me an L-class ticket, that they are aware that Lufthansa operates the flight, and nevertheless they promised me 100%. I see no statement there that the flight must be operated by CO--quite the opposite.


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 15999260)
A LH-operated L fare has very specific earning rates that are displayed on the co.com site under OnePass | Earning | Partners | Lufthansa.

Not relevant. CO offered to sell me a ticket under certain conditions. When I gave my credit card information and CO accepted my money, we established a contract--under the conditions they offered to me in writing, which supersede anything anywhere else on their site.

If they are permitted to vary from the EQM they offered, then they must also be able to vary the *price*. If they charged me an extra $1,000 on top of the quoted ticket price, I don't think that referring me to another part of their site saying that they were authorized to do so would have any merit.


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 15999260)
You can fight it and they might give it to you or they might not, but the rules are what they are and they are stated as such on the page where you see the reservation.

I know I can fight it. I can complain to the DOT, I can ask the state attorney general to open an investigation, I can instruct the credit card company that I dispute the transaction, and if these things fail I know methods that will work. However, this is not a good use of my time or that of CO. Unlike other members of this forum, I've had almost all positive experiences with CO over a considerable period of time. I do not relish jeopardizing my relationship with them. However, I am not prepared to just be a good boy and ignore a practice that we all know is deceptive and unacceptable (or, as you yourself said, "I agree that it sucks, but...". I was hoping that someone might suggest a more constructive approach than the ones I just mentioned.

Carolinian Mar 9, 2011 1:29 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 15999260)
On my screen they display the same size. And co.com does not explicitly say that L class = 100%. It says that CO-operated L-class = 100%. Read this again:


A LH-operated L fare has very specific earning rates that are displayed on the co.com site under OnePass | Earning | Partners | Lufthansa.

You can fight it and they might give it to you or they might not, but the rules are what they are and they are stated as such on the page where you see the reservation.

And fraud is fraud. It is shameful that CO would represent something one way and then not stand behind their representation. The contract term for what happened to the OP was ''fraud in the inducement''.

sbm12 Mar 9, 2011 5:00 am


Originally Posted by MChevreul (Post 15999849)
Here is the precise wording of my receipt.

OnePass Miles/Elite Qualification: 3,869/100%*
Flight: CO 5008
Aircraft: Airbus A340-300
Fare Class: Economy (L)
Meal: Meal
*Flight CO 5008 is operated by Lufthansa

This certainly suggests to me that Continental is aware that they have sold me an L-class ticket, that they are aware that Lufthansa operates the flight, and nevertheless they promised me 100%. I see no statement there that the flight must be operated by CO--quite the opposite.

So you are denying that the text associated with the * I have now quoted twice appears on your receipt?


Originally Posted by MChevreul (Post 15999849)
I was hoping that someone might suggest a more constructive approach than the ones I just mentioned.

Good luck with that. It is difficult for someone to conjure up something that doesn't exist.

alexperi Mar 9, 2011 5:32 am

I managed to avoid a similar situation, also with a CO/LH itinerary, by using the following tactic:

1. Booked the itinerary with CO, with my OnePass number.
2. Created a brand new United Mileageplus account (never had one before).
3. Flew the outbound with CO, CO metal.
4. On the return trip, which had a stopover in London then LH via Frankfurt to Tel Aviv, after I had checked in, and used the *G lounge with my CO *G boarding pass, :) I went to a service desk and asked for my United number to be put on the reservation instead of my CO. They reprinted me a Boarding Pass with the United number.

Here's the magic: United has a better deal than CO for LH flights. On United you get 100% EQMs for all or nearly all of the fare classes.

So... I ended up with most of the miles and EQMs in my CO account, and with about 2000 odd miles and EQMs from the LH flights in my new United Mileageplus account. Happily, when we hit 2012, those accounts will be merged. So by doing this crazy work-around I end up with 100% EQMs not 50%.

It's an absurd situation, and I totally sympathize with the OP's frustration, but during calendar year 2011, that is the way to play the system!

MChevreul Mar 9, 2011 11:16 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16001467)
So you are denying that the text associated with the * I have now quoted twice appears on your receipt?

We've already been there. The text states that IF THERE IS A VARIATION IN THE CLASS OF SERVICE ON THE OTHER CARRIER then, and only then, there may be a variation in the EQM. Not applicable to my case. I flew in the class booked. Are you denying that the receipt says it's a Lufthansa flight, class L, and that I am to receive 100% EQM?

The only alternate reading of that disclaimer is, "the EQM figure posted here for any non-CO operated flight is absolutely worthless. You should ignore it, as the actual EQM is computed by a formula you can find elsewhere."

The problem with that reading is not so much that it is far-fetched but that it forces one to ask what the purpose is of posting an absolutely worthless number. If CO can't guarantee that its number is correct (barring a class change) then it could easily replace it with a link to its LH table, saying "To compute the EQM you will receive, click here"

But that's not what it did. It said, for this particular flight, on this particular airline, on this particular date, in this particular class of service, you will receive 100% EQM. If you would like to buy under those terms, click here.

And when I *did* click, and when CO took my money, that established the contract which CO is now in breach of.

cbechdel Mar 9, 2011 11:26 am


Originally Posted by MChevreul (Post 15999849)
W
Not relevant. CO offered to sell me a ticket under certain conditions. When I gave my credit card information and CO accepted my money, we established a contract--under the conditions they offered to me in writing, which supersede anything anywhere else on their site.

Guarantee you SOMEWHERE you accepted the Terms of Carriage that will have a disclaimer someplace, and if not there, certainly when you enrolled in OnePass, you accepted someplace some language that cover's CO in cases of mileage earnings and flying partner airlines.

Yeah it sucks, but there no legally actionable claim here.

sna430 Mar 10, 2011 1:32 am

So after reading this post I checked my FRA-IST-MUC flights in April. I bought them on CO's website and it shows on the "View Current Reservation" page that I only get 50% EQM for the two flights. I noticed on CO's Lufthansa partners page that "S" fare class within Europe receives 100% EQM. I viewed Lufthansa's website and it states that I would receive 750 miles (not sure if it is EQM). I am not sure which information is correct: 50% EQM, 100% EQM or 750 miles. I may have to do the United Mileage Plus trick as stated above. It is about 1050 EQM that I will be missing if it at 50% EQM.

tagflyer Mar 10, 2011 4:42 am

If LH considers IST to be in Europe, you should get 100% EQM for an LH S-class ticket, otherwise 50%. I took 3 x $200 weekend trips in Europe in November, all in LH U-class, and got 100% OnePass EQM every time. co.com always shows 50% EQM earnings for LH W, S and U-class on the booking page, even if the flights are within Europe, but you will get 100% EQM.

star_world Mar 10, 2011 5:49 am


Originally Posted by tagflyer (Post 16007716)
If LH considers IST to be in Europe, you should get 100% EQM for an LH S-class ticket, otherwise 50%. I took 3 x $200 weekend trips in Europe in November, all in LH U-class, and got 100% OnePass EQM every time. co.com always shows 50% EQM earnings for LH W, S and U-class on the booking page, even if the flights are within Europe, but you will get 100% EQM.

I can't see an S fare on LH on this route but I looked at a W fare and it definitely says Europe there:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.0.R1/Diamond - Sabre: FRA-IST/LH/WNC7OW/140 USD]
Code:

[RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS]
NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
LUFTHANSA BASE FARES
APPLICATION
 AREA
  THESE FARES APPLY WITHIN EUROPE.
 CLASS OF SERVICE
  THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
 TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
  FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
  ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/SINGLE OPEN-JAW/
  DOUBLE OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
 CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
  THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
  CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
  THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
  AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
  WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
  FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIER$S BEST
  JUDGEMENT.
 OTHER CONDITIONS
  PASSENGER EXPENSES NOT PERMITTED.

[ELIGIBILITY]
NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[DAY/TIME]
NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[SEASONALITY]
NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[FLIGHT APPLICATION]
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY TK
        ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY A3
        ANY LH FLIGHT OPERATED BY LG.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        ANY LH FLIGHT.

[ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING]
CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT
LEAST 10 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 72 HOURS AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 10 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      WAITLIST NOT PERMITTED AT TIME OF TICKETING.
      ------
      DUE TO AUTOMATED TICKETING DEADLINE CONTROL
      DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE FARE RULE
      LAST TICKETING DATE AND THE SYSTEM GENERATED
      TICKETING DEADLINE MESSAGE.
      THE MORE RESTRICTIVE TICKETING DEADLINE APPLIES.

[MINIMUM STAY]
NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[MAXIMUM STAY]
NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[STOPOVERS]
STOPOVERS NOT PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

[TRANSFERS]
UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      UNLESS RESTRICTED BY ROUTING ATTACHED TO FARE
      RECORDS.

[COMBINATIONS]
 SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT
 PERMITTED.
 END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED.
 ADD-ONS PERMITTED.

[BLACKOUT DATES]
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.

[SURCHARGES]
THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN IRAN.
AND - IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2.
  THERE IS NO FUEL SURCHARGE PER DIRECTION.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      SALE OF THIS FARE IS PERMITTED WORLDWIDE.
      THIS SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN TICKETS ARE
      SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN.
THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
WHEN TICKETS ARE SOLD IN IRAN.
  FUEL SURCHARGE OF EUR 34.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE
  ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      SALE OF THIS FARE IS PERMITTED WORLDWIDE.
      THIS SURCHARGE IS ONLY APPLICABLE WHEN TICKETS ARE
      SOLD IN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF IRAN.

[ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.

[TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS]
NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.

[SALES RESTRICTIONS]
FARE RULE
TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA.
 
GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
        SALES RESTRICTIONS/ SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT
        COUPONS
        OTHER CONDITIONS
        SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS - THIS FARE IS
        ONLY VALID IF THE FLIGHTS ARE TAKEN IN THE BOOKED
        SEQUENCE. OTHERWISE THE FARE WILL BE RECALCULATED
        BASED ON THE ACTUAL FLIGHT ROUTING.
      RESPECTIVE REISSUE MUST BE DONE AS DESCRIBED IN
      GGAIRLHPT5INFO - OUT OF SEQUENCE REISSUE /1A USER/
            GC.LH - GP.68 /1G USER/
            G/AIR/LH0 - CAT TICKETING /1P USER/
            ESERVICE.SABRE.COM - CAT TICKETING /1S USER/
            S.LHB/TICKETING /1V USER/

[PENALTIES]
CANCELLATIONS

  ANY TIME
    TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
    WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER PRICING UNIT.
      --------
      WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE.
      --------
      FULL REFUND PERMITTED BEFORE DEPARTURE IN CASE OF
      REJECTION OF VISA.
      EMBASSY STATEMENT REQUIRED.
      --------
      REFUND OF UNUSED FEES AND TAXES PERMITTED.
      UNLESS APPLICABLE OW/RT FARE PLUS TAXES FOR ACTUAL
      TRAVEL IS HIGHER THAN WHOLE ORIGINAL TICKET. IN
      THIS CASE NO TAX OR FEE REFUND WILL BE PERMITTED.
      YQ OR YR FUEL AND SECURITY SURCHARGE WILL NOT BE
      REFUNDED.FOR NON REFUNDABLE TICKETS THE YQ/YR
      SURCHARGE WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.

CHANGES

  BEFORE DEPARTURE
    CHARGE EUR 50.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
    WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      CHANGE FEE ALSO APPLIES FOR UPGRADE BUT NOT IN
      ADDITION TO THE REISSUE/REVALIDATION CHARGE.
      -------
      THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER FARE COMPONENT
      /DIRECTION EXCEPT FOR CHANGE FEE AMOUNT.
      --------
      CHARGE APPLICABLE WILL BE THE HIGHEST OF ANY
      CHANGED FARE COMPONENT IN THE ITINERARY.
      --------
      CHILD DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY.
      INFANT FREE OF CHARGE.
      --------
      NO-SHOW WILL RESULT IN ELIGIBILITY OF REFUND ONLY
      AND IF APPLICABLE - REFER TO REFUND.
      --------
      WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE.
      --------
      REROUTING PERMITTED PROVIDED ORIGIN AND
      DESTINATIONS OF THE FARE COMPONENT REMAINS THE
      SAME.
      --------
      FARES CAN BE UPGRADED TO A HIGHER APPLICABLE FARE
      RECALCULATED FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN WHERE ALL
      CONDITIONS OF THE NEW FARES MUST BE COMPLIED WITH.
      CHARGE APPLIES.
      --------
      REBOOKING/REISSUE/UPGRADING/MCO ISSUANCE MUST BE
      MADE WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER CHANGE OF RESERVATION.
      REBOOKING/REISSUE/UPGRADING/MCO ISSUANCE MUST BE
      FINALIZED BEFORE DEPARTURE OF THE FLIGHT BEING
      CHANGED PROVIDED ALL FARE CONDITIONS ARE COMPLIED
      WITH INCLUDING ADVANCE PURCHASE CONDITION
      IRRESPECTIVE IF CHANGE OCCURS TO OUTBOUND OR
      INBOUND FLIGHT.
      IF NOT DONE WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER CHANGE OF
      RESERVATION AND BEFORE DEPARTURE OF THE FLIGHT
      BEING CHANGED THE TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR
      REFUND OR NOT APPLICABLE AT ALL.
      --------
      THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-
      REFUNDABLE

AFTER DEPARTURE
    CHARGE EUR 50.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
    WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      CHANGE FEE ALSO APPLIES FOR UPGRADE BUT NOT IN
      ADDITION TO THE REISSUE/REVALIDATION CHARGE.
      -------
      THE FOLLOWING RULES APPLY PER FARE COMPONENT
      /DIRECTION EXCEPT FOR CHANGE FEE AMOUNT.
      --------
      CHARGE APPLICABLE WILL BE THE HIGHEST OF ANY
      CHANGED FARE COMPONENT IN THE ITINERARY.
      --------
      CHILD DISCOUNT DOES NOT APPLY.
      INFANT FREE OF CHARGE.
      --------
      NO-SHOW WILL RESULT IN ELIGIBILITY OF REFUND ONLY
      AND IF APPLICABLE - REFER TO REFUND.
      --------
      WAIVERS MUST BE EVIDENCED BY DEATH CERTIFICATE.
      --------
      REROUTING PERMITTED PROVIDED ORIGIN AND
      DESTINATION OF THE FARE COMPONENT REMAINS THE
      SAME.
      --------
      FARES CAN BE UPGRADED TO A HIGHER APPLICABLE FARE.
      COMBINATION OR RETROACTIVE COMBINATION WITH FARES
      ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS PERMITTED PROVIDED ALL
      CONDITIONS OF THESE FARES ARE MET.
      UPGRADE OF THE ENTIRE JOURNEY INCLUDING FLOWN
      SEGMENTS TO A HIGHER ROUND TRIP FARE IS PERMITTED
      PROVIDED ALL CONDITIONS OF THE NEW FARE ARE MET
      EXCEPT ADVP FOR RETROACTIVE USE OF A FARE.
      CHARGE APPLIES.
      --------
      REBOOKING/REISSUE/UPGRADING/MCO ISSUANCE MUST BE
      MADE WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER CHANGE OF RESERVATION.
      REBOOKING/REISSUE/UPGRADING/MCO ISSUANCE MUST BE
      FINALIZED BEFORE DEPARTURE OF THE FLIGHT BEING
      CHANGED PROVIDED ALL FARE CONDITIONS ARE COMPLIED
      WITH.
      EXCEPT ADVANCE PURCHASE CONDITION CAN BE IGNORED.
      IF NOT DONE WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER CHANGE OF
      RESERVATION AND BEFORE THE FLIGHT BEING CHANGED
      TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR REFUND OR NOT
      APPLICABLE AT ALL.
      ----------
      THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-
      REFUNDABLE

[HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS]
THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR
STOPOVERS.

[TICKET ENDORSEMENTS]
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED
- NONREF/FL/CHG RESTRICTED - AND - CHECK FARE NOTE -
IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.

[CHILDREN DISCOUNTS]
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF
  THE FARE.
      TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
    COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      FOR CHILDREN TURNING 12 YEARS ENROUTE - ADULT FARE
      HAS TO BE USED FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
      PERCENT OF THE FARE.
          TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10
      PERCENT OF THE FARE.
          TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      FOR INFANTS TURNING 2 YEARS ENROUTE - DUE TO
      SAFETY REGULATIONS - A BOOKED SEAT WILL BE
      REQUIRED FOR THE REMAINING PORTIONS OF THE
      JOURNEY. WHEN A SEPARATE SEAT IS REQUIRED ON A
      PORTION OF THE JOURNEY - CHILD FARE HAS TO BE
      USED FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. ID REQUIRED -
      CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
          TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH AND DISCOUNT PERCENT.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      UNACCOMPANIED CHILD UNDER 5 YEARS OF AGE WILL NOT
      BE ACCEPTED FOR CARRIAGE. SERVICE CHARGE FOR
      UNACCOMPANIED CHILD APPLIES.
      FOR FURTHER INFO PLEASE CHECK GGAIRLHPT11INFO.

[TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS]
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      TOUR CONDUCTORS DISCOUNTS NOT PERMITTED.

[AGENT DISCOUNTS]
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      AGENT DISCOUNTS NOT PERMITTED.

[ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.

[MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS]
NO PROVISIONS APPLY.

[FARE BY RULE]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[GROUPS]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.

[TOURS]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.

[VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.

[DEPOSITS]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.

[VOLUNTARY CHANGES]
NO VOLUNTARY CHANGES DATA FOUND.

[VOLUNTARY REFUNDS]
NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.

[NEGOTIATED FARES]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION]
NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE


sbm12 Mar 10, 2011 6:25 am


Originally Posted by MChevreul (Post 16003210)
We've already been there. The text states that IF THERE IS A VARIATION IN THE CLASS OF SERVICE ON THE OTHER CARRIER then, and only then, there may be a variation in the EQM. Not applicable to my case. I flew in the class booked. Are you denying that the receipt says it's a Lufthansa flight, class L, and that I am to receive 100% EQM?

That is not what it says. This is:

The miles accrued on codeshare flights are based on the operating carrier and their equivalent fare class. This could result in differences between the purchased booking class and the booking class flown, which determines the number of base and Elite Qualifying Miles and Elite Qualifying Points earned.
You were on the LH equivalent of a CO L fare. That the letter is the same matters less than the LH rules for the resulting letter because the miles accrued are based on the operating carrier.



Originally Posted by MChevreul (Post 16003210)
But that's not what it did. It said, for this particular flight, on this particular airline, on this particular date, in this particular class of service, you will receive 100% EQM. If you would like to buy under those terms, click here.

You are free to believe that. You can even go after CO for deceptive marketing practices and there's a decent chance the DoT will eventually agree with you. But that doesn't mean that the rules are actually what you want them to be.

Carolinian Mar 10, 2011 7:43 am


Originally Posted by cbechdel (Post 16003259)
Guarantee you SOMEWHERE you accepted the Terms of Carriage that will have a disclaimer someplace, and if not there, certainly when you enrolled in OnePass, you accepted someplace some language that cover's CO in cases of mileage earnings and flying partner airlines.

Yeah it sucks, but there no legally actionable claim here.

When they misrepresent those T&C, as they have when they told him he would get 100% EQM, then that hidden fine print does NOT cover CO for its appalling misrepresentation and deception in this case.

Consumer protection laws prohibit ''unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting business''. This is both unfair AND deceptive. Saying one thing out front while your fine print says something different and less advantageous to the customer is deception almost by definition.

Here the fine print does not save CO's bacon but instead fries it!

mikelat Mar 10, 2011 10:21 pm


Originally Posted by alexperi (Post 16001533)
I managed to avoid a similar situation, also with a CO/LH itinerary, by using the following tactic:

1. Booked the itinerary with CO, with my OnePass number.
2. Created a brand new United Mileageplus account (never had one before).
3. Flew the outbound with CO, CO metal.
4. On the return trip, which had a stopover in London then LH via Frankfurt to Tel Aviv, after I had checked in, and used the *G lounge with my CO *G boarding pass, :) I went to a service desk and asked for my United number to be put on the reservation instead of my CO. They reprinted me a Boarding Pass with the United number.

Here's the magic: United has a better deal than CO for LH flights. On United you get 100% EQMs for all or nearly all of the fare classes.

So... I ended up with most of the miles and EQMs in my CO account, and with about 2000 odd miles and EQMs from the LH flights in my new United Mileageplus account. Happily, when we hit 2012, those accounts will be merged. So by doing this crazy work-around I end up with 100% EQMs not 50%.

It's an absurd situation, and I totally sympathize with the OP's frustration, but during calendar year 2011, that is the way to play the system!

Great story and approach, but doesn't seem that helpful to OP after the fact :)

ralfp Aug 8, 2011 10:24 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 16001467)
So you are denying that the text associated with the * I have now quoted twice appears on your receipt?

Actually, the EQM info does not appear on the receipt at all (at least on the CO generated PDF eTicket receipt or the email). That being said, the text you refer to (re codeshare EQMs) is at the bottom of the reservation page and is not particularly obvious. In addition, the way CO presents the EQM earnings info is basically:

"You'll get xxx miles, and 100% are elite qualifying miles*
....
*... elite qualifying miles are not included in the total miles shown. The miles accrued on codeshare flights are based on the operating carrier and their equivalent fare class".

Ignoring the self-contradiction ("you'll get X" and "we don't tell you what you'll get"), it would be nice to get the information necessary to determine that the 100% EQM earning is false, but, AFAIK, CO does not provide the information necessary to determine equivalent fare class... so to most people the text is equivalent to "you'll get 100% EQMs, but we don't tell you how many EQMs you will get (you'll find out after it's too late)".

If it's too hard to accurately display RDM and EQM earnings for codeshare flights, then CO should simply not list the info.


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