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Bait and Switch on codeshare EQM?
My wife and I have been platinum for some time. Naturally we purchase in a way to maximize EQM where possible. Twice in the last two months we have been victimized by what I would consider Bait & Switch tactics on the part of CO's website.
Our itinerary involved a stop in Frankfurt. We had a choice of returning either on a Continental-operated or a Lufthansa codeshare, The LH flight was marginally more convenient so that is what we booked on continental.com. Continental.com stated, and the written receipt verifies, that the class of service was L, and that the EQM was 100%. I now know to my sorrow that L class in fact is 50% EQM--but continental.com, and the receipt, both state otherwise. Consequently, each of us is getting around 2,000 EQM less than continental.com promised. I have just been on the phone with a CSR and her supervisor at the OnePass center for almost an hour. They absolutely refuse to budge. They say they are not responsible for what continental.com says or what the receipt says. It was my responsibility to go to Lufthansa's site and research the actual rules before buying the ticket. They point also to a disclaimer at the bottom of the receipt, which says that the second carrier may change my class of service, in which case EQM may vary. But this did not apply. The ticket was purchased in L class, we flew in L class, the receipt says L class--100% EQM but as awarded it says L class--50%. I obviously would never have purchased the ticket under these conditions and I reject the idea that I need to go to Lufthansa's site to verify that what continental.com is saying is true. It is Continental's responsibility IMHO to know what its agreements with Lufthansa are. Again, this is not a misunderstanding or a flight change--the ticket receipt clearly states, as did continental.com, 100% EQM for flying L class on a Lufthansa-operated CO codeshare. To fight this further I see only the options of going to CO corporate or of filling a dispute to the ticket charge with the credit card company on the grounds of material misrepresentation. With my receipt in hand I think I would almost certainly prevail. I'm almost up to a million miles on CO and have never had to fight city hall like this before. Is it worth it? |
It certainly is incredibly confusing, and it should have been fixed long ago. It's made even worse by the fact that not all fare classes map to the same fare class on the operating airline. In your case you can tell from this page http://www.continental.com/CMS/en-US...spx?ItemId=298 that you will only earn 50% for the LH L class but I agree, it certainly isn't shown that way when you search for the flights on co.com...
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Did you read the * details?
I agree that it sucks that we have to, but they are there on every reservation in my account OnePass Miles/ Elite Qualification*: 86 /100% *Miles shown are the actual miles flown for this segment. Fare class, Elite Qualification Miles and other promotional bonuses are not included in the total miles shown. The miles accrued on codeshare flights are based on the operating carrier and their equivalent fare class. This could result in differences between the purchased booking class and the booking class flown, which determines the number of base and Elite Qualifying Miles and Elite Qualifying Points earned. OnePass miles are not awarded for travel on airlines that are not OnePass partners. Miles indicated for non-partner flights or flight segments will not be awarded. OnePass miles earned will vary depending on the Elite status of the customer. |
In Star Alliance, operating metal counts, not the marketing carrier. Lufthansa and Continental, respectively. So you're awarded miles, regardless of what the marketing carrier sells, based on the operating carrier's fare codes. Not saying it's right or wrong, but that's *A.
You were sold an L fare ticket on Lufthansa, not Continental. Lufthansa fares earn according to this table. |
Regardless of all of those hidden details, the misrepresentations by CO constitute IMHO unfair and deceptive trade practices which would be in violation of consumer protection laws of most states and actionable in court. Those laws often provide for the consumer to recover treble damages plus attorney fees.
Also you have not received all you bargained for in your transaction with CO. CO represented that you would receive a certain number of miles and they have failed and refused to deliver them. You have not received the full benefit of the bargain. I would cite your state's consumer protection law, by statute number in your challenge with your credit card. I would calculate the value of the missing miles based on the rate at which CO sells them to members. Also, CO was functioning as the agent of LH and operating within the scope of its duties, and there is an argument that the principle is liable for the representations of its agent. |
Originally Posted by Carolinian
(Post 15997778)
Regardless of all of those hidden details, the misrepresentations by CO constitute IMHO unfair and deceptive trade practices which would be in violation of consumer protection laws of most states and actionable in court. Those laws often provide for the consumer to recover treble damages plus attorney fees.
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Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 15998064)
If they provide the warning text on every page in a font that it is the same size then how is it "hidden" from the user?
They ought to get this right and they should be hammered on situations like this to give them a motive to do so. |
The OP bought an L fare ticket on Lufthansa, sold by CO. He did not buy a ticket for a CO flight. *That* is the key difference.
That’s the essence of the problem. Quite simply: L on CO != L on LH |
Originally Posted by Carolinian
(Post 15997778)
Regardless of all of those hidden details, the misrepresentations by CO constitute IMHO unfair and deceptive trade practices which would be in violation of consumer protection laws of most states and actionable in court. Those laws often provide for the consumer to recover treble damages plus attorney fees.
Also you have not received all you bargained for in your transaction with CO. CO represented that you would receive a certain number of miles and they have failed and refused to deliver them. You have not received the full benefit of the bargain. I would cite your state's consumer protection law, by statute number in your challenge with your credit card. I would calculate the value of the missing miles based on the rate at which CO sells them to members. Also, CO was functioning as the agent of LH and operating within the scope of its duties, and there is an argument that the principle is liable for the representations of its agent. The lost "value" of the "2000 EQMs" --- which can be purchased from the airline (via e.g., Mileage Maximizer) for about 7.5 cpm..... hence their "value" is about $150 per ticket. Is someone REALLY going to hire an attorney to sue the airline in a superior court for $300? (treble damages/attorneys' fees, etc. etc. aren't usually recoverable in small claims courts). An A- for "wishful thinking" perhaps, but a D- for practicality/reality. ;) |
Originally Posted by MChevreul
(Post 15996975)
Our itinerary involved a stop in Frankfurt. We had a choice of returning either on a Continental-operated or a Lufthansa codeshare, The LH flight was marginally more convenient so that is what we booked on continental.com.
1) CO marketed, CO operated 2) CO marketed, LH operated 3) LH marketed, CO operated 4) LH marketed, LH operated Regardless, if your receipt says 100% I'd file a DOT complaint. CO probably won't react to it, but if the DOT receives enough similar complaints they'll look into it and may resolve the issue long term. |
Originally Posted by mduell
(Post 15998787)
Which two of the following were your options:
1) CO marketed, CO operated 2) CO marketed, LH operated 3) LH marketed, CO operated 4) LH marketed, LH operated Regardless, if your receipt says 100% I'd file a DOT complaint. CO probably won't react to it, but if the DOT receives enough similar complaints they'll look into it and may resolve the issue long term.
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 15998064)
If they provide the warning text on every page in a font that it is the same size then how is it "hidden" from the user?
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Originally Posted by MChevreul
(Post 15998853)
The "warning"--which, BTW, is about 1/5 the size of the "100%"--warns me that if the class of service changes, the EQM may change also. It doesn't apply in this case. I bought L class and flew L class. continental.com explicitly says L class, 100%.
The miles accrued on codeshare flights are based on the operating carrier and their equivalent fare class. You can fight it and they might give it to you or they might not, but the rules are what they are and they are stated as such on the page where you see the reservation. |
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 15999260)
On my screen they display the same size.
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 15999260)
And co.com does not explicitly say that L class = 100%. It says that CO-operated L-class = 100%.
OnePass Miles/Elite Qualification: 3,869/100%* Flight: CO 5008 Aircraft: Airbus A340-300 Fare Class: Economy (L) Meal: Meal *Flight CO 5008 is operated by Lufthansa This certainly suggests to me that Continental is aware that they have sold me an L-class ticket, that they are aware that Lufthansa operates the flight, and nevertheless they promised me 100%. I see no statement there that the flight must be operated by CO--quite the opposite.
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 15999260)
A LH-operated L fare has very specific earning rates that are displayed on the co.com site under OnePass | Earning | Partners | Lufthansa.
If they are permitted to vary from the EQM they offered, then they must also be able to vary the *price*. If they charged me an extra $1,000 on top of the quoted ticket price, I don't think that referring me to another part of their site saying that they were authorized to do so would have any merit.
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 15999260)
You can fight it and they might give it to you or they might not, but the rules are what they are and they are stated as such on the page where you see the reservation.
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Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 15999260)
On my screen they display the same size. And co.com does not explicitly say that L class = 100%. It says that CO-operated L-class = 100%. Read this again:
A LH-operated L fare has very specific earning rates that are displayed on the co.com site under OnePass | Earning | Partners | Lufthansa. You can fight it and they might give it to you or they might not, but the rules are what they are and they are stated as such on the page where you see the reservation. |
Originally Posted by MChevreul
(Post 15999849)
Here is the precise wording of my receipt.
OnePass Miles/Elite Qualification: 3,869/100%* Flight: CO 5008 Aircraft: Airbus A340-300 Fare Class: Economy (L) Meal: Meal *Flight CO 5008 is operated by Lufthansa This certainly suggests to me that Continental is aware that they have sold me an L-class ticket, that they are aware that Lufthansa operates the flight, and nevertheless they promised me 100%. I see no statement there that the flight must be operated by CO--quite the opposite.
Originally Posted by MChevreul
(Post 15999849)
I was hoping that someone might suggest a more constructive approach than the ones I just mentioned.
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I managed to avoid a similar situation, also with a CO/LH itinerary, by using the following tactic:
1. Booked the itinerary with CO, with my OnePass number. 2. Created a brand new United Mileageplus account (never had one before). 3. Flew the outbound with CO, CO metal. 4. On the return trip, which had a stopover in London then LH via Frankfurt to Tel Aviv, after I had checked in, and used the *G lounge with my CO *G boarding pass, :) I went to a service desk and asked for my United number to be put on the reservation instead of my CO. They reprinted me a Boarding Pass with the United number. Here's the magic: United has a better deal than CO for LH flights. On United you get 100% EQMs for all or nearly all of the fare classes. So... I ended up with most of the miles and EQMs in my CO account, and with about 2000 odd miles and EQMs from the LH flights in my new United Mileageplus account. Happily, when we hit 2012, those accounts will be merged. So by doing this crazy work-around I end up with 100% EQMs not 50%. It's an absurd situation, and I totally sympathize with the OP's frustration, but during calendar year 2011, that is the way to play the system! |
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 16001467)
So you are denying that the text associated with the * I have now quoted twice appears on your receipt?
The only alternate reading of that disclaimer is, "the EQM figure posted here for any non-CO operated flight is absolutely worthless. You should ignore it, as the actual EQM is computed by a formula you can find elsewhere." The problem with that reading is not so much that it is far-fetched but that it forces one to ask what the purpose is of posting an absolutely worthless number. If CO can't guarantee that its number is correct (barring a class change) then it could easily replace it with a link to its LH table, saying "To compute the EQM you will receive, click here" But that's not what it did. It said, for this particular flight, on this particular airline, on this particular date, in this particular class of service, you will receive 100% EQM. If you would like to buy under those terms, click here. And when I *did* click, and when CO took my money, that established the contract which CO is now in breach of. |
Originally Posted by MChevreul
(Post 15999849)
W
Not relevant. CO offered to sell me a ticket under certain conditions. When I gave my credit card information and CO accepted my money, we established a contract--under the conditions they offered to me in writing, which supersede anything anywhere else on their site. Yeah it sucks, but there no legally actionable claim here. |
So after reading this post I checked my FRA-IST-MUC flights in April. I bought them on CO's website and it shows on the "View Current Reservation" page that I only get 50% EQM for the two flights. I noticed on CO's Lufthansa partners page that "S" fare class within Europe receives 100% EQM. I viewed Lufthansa's website and it states that I would receive 750 miles (not sure if it is EQM). I am not sure which information is correct: 50% EQM, 100% EQM or 750 miles. I may have to do the United Mileage Plus trick as stated above. It is about 1050 EQM that I will be missing if it at 50% EQM.
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If LH considers IST to be in Europe, you should get 100% EQM for an LH S-class ticket, otherwise 50%. I took 3 x $200 weekend trips in Europe in November, all in LH U-class, and got 100% OnePass EQM every time. co.com always shows 50% EQM earnings for LH W, S and U-class on the booking page, even if the flights are within Europe, but you will get 100% EQM.
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Originally Posted by tagflyer
(Post 16007716)
If LH considers IST to be in Europe, you should get 100% EQM for an LH S-class ticket, otherwise 50%. I took 3 x $200 weekend trips in Europe in November, all in LH U-class, and got 100% OnePass EQM every time. co.com always shows 50% EQM earnings for LH W, S and U-class on the booking page, even if the flights are within Europe, but you will get 100% EQM.
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Originally Posted by MChevreul
(Post 16003210)
We've already been there. The text states that IF THERE IS A VARIATION IN THE CLASS OF SERVICE ON THE OTHER CARRIER then, and only then, there may be a variation in the EQM. Not applicable to my case. I flew in the class booked. Are you denying that the receipt says it's a Lufthansa flight, class L, and that I am to receive 100% EQM?
The miles accrued on codeshare flights are based on the operating carrier and their equivalent fare class. This could result in differences between the purchased booking class and the booking class flown, which determines the number of base and Elite Qualifying Miles and Elite Qualifying Points earned.
Originally Posted by MChevreul
(Post 16003210)
But that's not what it did. It said, for this particular flight, on this particular airline, on this particular date, in this particular class of service, you will receive 100% EQM. If you would like to buy under those terms, click here.
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Originally Posted by cbechdel
(Post 16003259)
Guarantee you SOMEWHERE you accepted the Terms of Carriage that will have a disclaimer someplace, and if not there, certainly when you enrolled in OnePass, you accepted someplace some language that cover's CO in cases of mileage earnings and flying partner airlines.
Yeah it sucks, but there no legally actionable claim here. Consumer protection laws prohibit ''unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting business''. This is both unfair AND deceptive. Saying one thing out front while your fine print says something different and less advantageous to the customer is deception almost by definition. Here the fine print does not save CO's bacon but instead fries it! |
Originally Posted by alexperi
(Post 16001533)
I managed to avoid a similar situation, also with a CO/LH itinerary, by using the following tactic:
1. Booked the itinerary with CO, with my OnePass number. 2. Created a brand new United Mileageplus account (never had one before). 3. Flew the outbound with CO, CO metal. 4. On the return trip, which had a stopover in London then LH via Frankfurt to Tel Aviv, after I had checked in, and used the *G lounge with my CO *G boarding pass, :) I went to a service desk and asked for my United number to be put on the reservation instead of my CO. They reprinted me a Boarding Pass with the United number. Here's the magic: United has a better deal than CO for LH flights. On United you get 100% EQMs for all or nearly all of the fare classes. So... I ended up with most of the miles and EQMs in my CO account, and with about 2000 odd miles and EQMs from the LH flights in my new United Mileageplus account. Happily, when we hit 2012, those accounts will be merged. So by doing this crazy work-around I end up with 100% EQMs not 50%. It's an absurd situation, and I totally sympathize with the OP's frustration, but during calendar year 2011, that is the way to play the system! |
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 16001467)
So you are denying that the text associated with the * I have now quoted twice appears on your receipt?
"You'll get xxx miles, and 100% are elite qualifying miles* .... *... elite qualifying miles are not included in the total miles shown. The miles accrued on codeshare flights are based on the operating carrier and their equivalent fare class". Ignoring the self-contradiction ("you'll get X" and "we don't tell you what you'll get"), it would be nice to get the information necessary to determine that the 100% EQM earning is false, but, AFAIK, CO does not provide the information necessary to determine equivalent fare class... so to most people the text is equivalent to "you'll get 100% EQMs, but we don't tell you how many EQMs you will get (you'll find out after it's too late)". If it's too hard to accurately display RDM and EQM earnings for codeshare flights, then CO should simply not list the info. |
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