Business First and Merger?
As a result of the merger, I wonder what will happen to CO's Business First service? Flew CO EWR-PEK and experienced my first lie flat seats. Just flew UA ICN-NRT and was put in Business with much lesser seat.
I sure would miss BusinessFirst... LAR |
That's the million dollar question, along with the fate of 3-cabin on United planes, Economy Plus, etc. Chances are, the flatbeds are here to stay.
FWIW, the UA 777 business class is getting a makeover with lay-flat business class seats. |
BusinessFirst is just Business class. That isn't going away. Worry about F and E+.
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I can never decide whether threads like this are light trolling or just I'll-informed.
But, here's what you would know if you had investigated both the UA board and the CO board fully regarding premium seating arrangements:
So the answer to your overall question is that you flew one of an increasingly scarce set of examples of the older UA C product. Before the merger ever happened, both UA and CO were moving to a fully flat C product across their long-haul fleets and regardless of what other decisions are made in the merger, it is definite that all of their unconverted planes will be converted to some form of fully flat seat in the premium cabin(s). |
Thanks.
Thanks for the information. Had I been sitting at home in front of a pc, I might have 'fully investigates' but sitting at NRT lounge and typing on an iPhone dissuaded me. I know a lot folks post questions rather than search, but it's your prerogative not to take the time to answer if it bothers you so much.
In this case, I appreciate all the good info. There is much more to it than I realized.... Thanks very much. |
Originally Posted by UAL awesome
(Post 15784706)
BusinessFirst is just Business class. That isn't going away. Worry about F and E+.
The flat bed sets, on the other hand, are virtually equivalent between UA and CO, which is one aspect of the merger they can't possibly screw up. ;) |
Originally Posted by EWR764
(Post 15784974)
The BF soft product and United Business certainly are not interchangeable by any stretch. I'd hate to see the two-class product degraded where F isn't available.
The flat bed sets, on the other hand, are virtually equivalent between UA and CO, which is one aspect of the merger they can't possibly screw up. ;) |
Originally Posted by gawhite411
(Post 15785532)
While seats are largely fungible, there is a significant difference in soft product.
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Originally Posted by PhillyPhlyer40
(Post 15786307)
When was the last time you flew BF v UAC? IME, UA C has gone up in soft product, while BF has steadily gone down. BF USED to be the best "C" product, now it is equal/lower then UA/AA/DL IME.
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A C has gone up in soft product, while BF has steadily gone down. BF USED to be the best "C" product, now it is equal/lower then UA/AA/DL IME. I do hope they standardize on CO's business class catering though, that would be nice. |
Originally Posted by Driving by DCA
(Post 15784726)
If you had flown a UA 767 and a CO 767, you would be making the exact opposite argument as most (all?) CO 767s still have the older BF seats.
Originally Posted by PhillyPhlyer40
(Post 15786307)
When was the last time you flew BF v UAC? IME, UA C has gone up in soft product, while BF has steadily gone down. BF USED to be the best "C" product, now it is equal/lower then UA/AA/DL IME.
I will say with the new Envoy Suites, US has a serious C product that definitely surpasses UA C. 3-4 FA's for 19 pax vs 2-3 for 26 pax. Heck, I'm going on a limb but I'll do a US Envoy Suite over UA F. If US did a hot appetizer in Envoy, then they'd be equal/greater than UA F. Disagree, about BF being equal to DL. DL Biz-(non)Elite is probably at the bottom of the barrel in terms of TATL-C and it's an insult to CO to place them as equals. On DL, LHR is the only route where you can snag a flat bed seat. All other routes get the world's worst recliner in flight or the world's worst angled lie flat. I don't mind the UA C recliner or the old F recliner as I've found them quite comfortable, but the DL seat is whole new breed of crap passed off as C. |
Originally Posted by LAR
(Post 15784756)
Thanks for the information. Had I been sitting at home in front of a pc, I might have 'fully investigates' but sitting at NRT lounge and typing on an iPhone dissuaded me. I know a lot folks post questions rather than search, but it's your prerogative not to take the time to answer if it bothers you so much.
In this case, I appreciate all the good info. There is much more to it than I realized.... Thanks very much. |
Whatever they do, I hope they get rid of the COnfusing BusinessFirst name. It's not First, it's Business. And these days, it's not even above average business (though they do the food well).
If they want to be cute and brand it, that's fine. But brand it with something that doesn't COnfuse people, a la BusinessElite, Envoy, or even Connoisseur lol (though if UA rebranded their biz with Connoisseur again, they'd have to turn up the service or I'd feel obligated to mock them). ;) |
Originally Posted by Driving by DCA
(Post 15784726)
I can never decide whether threads like this are light trolling or just I'll-informed.
But, here's what you would know if you had investigated both the UA board and the CO board fully regarding premium seating arrangements:
So the answer to your overall question is that you flew one of an increasingly scarce set of examples of the older UA C product. Before the merger ever happened, both UA and CO were moving to a fully flat C product across their long-haul fleets and regardless of what other decisions are made in the merger, it is definite that all of their unconverted planes will be converted to some form of fully flat seat in the premium cabin(s). And to others, the 767 config has been announced, the same as the current. |
Originally Posted by channa
(Post 15788046)
Whatever they do, I hope they get rid of the COnfusing BusinessFirst name. It's not First, it's Business. And these days, it's not even above average business (though they do the food well).
If they want to be cute and brand it, that's fine. But brand it with something that doesn't COnfuse people, a la BusinessElite, Envoy, or even Connoisseur lol (though if UA rebranded their biz with Connoisseur again, they'd have to turn up the service or I'd feel obligated to mock them). ;) |
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