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Continential vs Delta
I live in NYC and have been a AA Platinum for 5 year. This year I reached Delta Gold and will be reaching Platinum by year end. I abandoned AA for Delta because of the favorable treatment given to this mid-tier elite level as far as upgrades go. AA requires you to use stickers and First is often already full. I have been upgraded on most Delta flights this year with no problems.
Now to the questions. For the NY market, is CO better than DL or the reverse? CO matched my Gold and I am not sure if it's better to switch to CO and the Star Alliance. Is CO or DL better with upgrades? Who has better fares in NY? EWR is slightly more difficult to get to than LGA and JFK for DL but it's nice that CO is consolidated in one airport. Is elite easier to maintain with CO or DL? Are award tickets easier to book on CO? DL has watered down their miles and the Low, Mid or High ticket options are a joke. Which Credit Card is better? Presidents Plus or Delta Reserve? |
Probably depends on where you're traveling. Personally, I picked CO, but EWR is the most convenient airport for me, so AA, DL, etc., were really not good options.
The credit card choice is secondary. Might as well get one that matches the program you commit to. As to which is easier to maintain, depends on where you go and on whose metal. Dl now has rollover miles which might make it easier, unless of course you find 30% of your travel on *A vs. ST. |
While DL has improved greatly I still find it impossible to book an award. I have been trying to burn 150K miles with them, unable too. Even though CO has been called NonePass I still find it easier to use.
Upgrades depend on the routes you fly really. As Plat on CO I've been very successful. Gold on DL I have been happy with percentages. I am used to CO and find them my preferred carrier all around. I have also gotten used to EWR for a NY airport. Not happy with customer service at EWR. I am really happy with my Chase Presidents Plus MC. |
Each Has Pros & Cons
Originally Posted by cbergen
(Post 12891970)
For the NY market, is CO better than DL or the reverse? CO matched my Gold and I am not sure if it's better to switch to CO and the Star Alliance.
Is CO or DL better with upgrades? Who has better fares in NY? EWR is slightly more difficult to get to than LGA and JFK for DL but it's nice that CO is consolidated in one airport. Is elite easier to maintain with CO or DL? Are award tickets easier to book on CO? DL has watered down their miles and the Low, Mid or High ticket options are a joke. |
Continental has yet to lose any of my checked bags. Delta, however, has demonstrated expertise at this task :mad:. Also, in my experience CO's on-time performance is clearly superior.
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DL is a much easier upgrade out of NYC than CO. As GM, I average >80% upgrades on DL, and that includes a lot of transcons purchased on cheap fares.
As others have pointed out, award availability is pretty lousy on DL, and the JFK terminal is ancient. But, for me, that's just the price of having that first class seat. So it's all your priorities. I recently made elite on CO, as well, but am not too hopeful about upgrades. |
Originally Posted by cbergen
(Post 12891970)
Now to the questions.
For the NY market, is CO better than DL or the reverse? CO matched my Gold and I am not sure if it's better to switch to CO and the Star Alliance. Is CO or DL better with upgrades? Who has better fares in NY? EWR is slightly more difficult to get to than LGA and JFK for DL but it's nice that CO is consolidated in one airport. Is elite easier to maintain with CO or DL? Are award tickets easier to book on CO? DL has watered down their miles and the Low, Mid or High ticket options are a joke. Which Credit Card is better? Presidents Plus or Delta Reserve? Fares out of JFK tend to be cheaper than EWR. There are always exceptions, but there's a lot more domestic/lower-fare competition out of JFK. Gold is 50K on either carrier, so probably just as easy to maintain one or the other. Award tickets will be substantially easier to redeem with CO, now that CO is in *A and has many more partners with good availability to choose from. It can be done with DL, but it'll take some work. |
CO has better F service, but your upgrade chances are typically much lower. EWR Terminal C is much nicer than DL's facilities at LGA and JFK. Award redemption on CO is worlds apart. As you said, award redemption is a total joke on DL. That's by far my largest frustration with them.
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Originally Posted by channa
(Post 12894340)
Fares out of JFK tend to be cheaper than EWR. There are always exceptions, but there's a lot more domestic/lower-fare competition out of JFK.
In most cases, I find that fares are pretty much the same, that EWR and JFK largely act as one marketplace. Obviously, there are exceptions on given routes and given dates, but I find it can go either way. The only real price difference that I have found consistently over time are CO's discounted BF fares, on which it is possible to fly CO J for approximately one-third the cost of DL's BE. |
Generally speaking, it is much easier to get advanced confirmed upgrades on DL. One of the nice things about DL.com is that it displays F UG availability on all flights in your elite status UG window. I usually book all of my DL flights five days out and select the combination of fare and instant UG availability. Just booked a $190 OAK-SLC-DTW for later this week and was instantly upgraded. These days on CO, you usually don't get the UGs until the gate... not very reassuring.
On the other, as noted by others, good luck trying to redeem your DL miles. :( |
Originally Posted by TWA Fan 1
(Post 12894391)
In my experience, this has not been the case.
In most cases, I find that fares are pretty much the same, that EWR and JFK largely act as one marketplace. Obviously, there are exceptions on given routes and given dates, but I find it can go either way. The only real price difference that I have found consistently over time are CO's discounted BF fares, on which it is possible to fly CO J for approximately one-third the cost of DL's BE. CO J to Europe is a different story, as you mention. |
Originally Posted by smp9778
(Post 12894742)
I find it's the opposite for domestic flights. It's often difficult to buy a Y seat on Continental's transcons at any almost price if it is within 1-2 weeks of departure. My experience has been that DL beats CO for pricing/availability on almost any itinerary from NYC to LAX/SFO/SEA/PDX/LAS, etc. DL is also better about holding back inventory for last-minute buyers, whereas CO will just "sell out" flights a few weeks in advance.
CO J to Europe is a different story, as you mention. On the whole, I find that prices on CO, AA, DL, and B6, the four biggest carriers out of EWR and JFK will generally be within $15-30 of each other for most domestic destinations. Sometimes CO is cheaper out of EWR, sometimes the other three are cheaper out of JFK. Outside of transcon I have not found a reliable pattern for domestic. |
I am a CO plat based in NYC and recently accepted a status match on DL. As far as upgrades go, I am 3-3 on DL (plat) and all flights have been between JFK and either LAX or SFO. Two times I was on a low cost "T" fare and I believe the other was "H". You could take 100 CO flights between EWR and LAX/SFO on T-N-L fares and expect maybe 3 upgrades out of 100 attempts as a plat. Take that for whatever its worth.
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