Anyone on Flyer Talk want to get together and visit Iran?
Anyone on Flyer Talk want to get together and visit Iran?
The one thing about these boards I have discovered is that someone here can answer ANY travel related question. The true resource of FlyerTalk. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif I asked questions on Iran. Some great board answers were posted, including: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum94/HTML/002872.html On that thread a board member named lalala posted a superb link on Iran in response to a question I had about visiting that country. That superb website below he/she posted answers ANY question any person has on Iran. ("Persia"). www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/1406 A terrific link, and thank you for posting it. For ANY person who is interested in this fascinating place, PLEASE take a moment to check that comprehensive link. There was a Travel Agent listed there called "Magic Carpet Travel" based in UK. Could not resist clicking on that one! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif http://www.magic-carpet-travel.com/ They offer small group tours for only £895 ex London INCLUDING all airfares and transport to and from UK and within Iran. Hotels, admissions, UK airport tax, English speaking guides etc. It is with Air Iran, but I am sure by paying a little extra they can do it on Lufthansa or Austrian Airlines so I can get Star * Alliance points/possibly upgrades. (And gives another stopover in Europe as well!) This looks like the perfect one for me ... Treasures of Persia: 8 day tour - Tehran / Shiraz / Persepolis / Isfahan / Tehran. Full itinerary on their site. Next scheduled such group tour will be on April 8th, 2001. ANYONE from FT want to join such a tour???? If there can be 40+ FT'ers fly from all over the world into Dusseldorf next week, or Hawaii, or indeed a whole bunch is migrating to Northern Thailand starting this week, simply to get UA status after I posted an obscure loophole, so a few of us to Iran is surely VERY possible? Who knows, if a group of us gets together the package price may reduce even further! This was the only travel agent link I clicked. There certainly may be better/cheaper tours on offer. I realise Iran is NOT a "mainstream" destination, but reading MCRT's excellent current thread below on amazing countries many of those here have visited, I can bet a few of those adventurous souls among us would be game to take a week and see some of it, hence my posting of this here to elicit interest. Travelling with 4 or 5 FT'ers would add to the fun. The countries I most like visiting are those who do NOT yet have a McDonalds on every corner, a Sheraton/Hilton/Marriott in main cities, and Coke and Bud on tap everywhere, served by kids wearing Nikes. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum94/HTML/002315.html Conde Nast Traveller May 2000 British Edition said: Iran is, without any doubt at all, the warmest, politest, most hospitable country that I have ever been in - almost shamingly so. ------------------ ~ Glen ~ [This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 10-30-2000).] |
Oz -It looks like adventure I can't pass up! Count me IN! We are going to Persia!
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Sounds like a great adventure guys, and I am very intrigued by the idea although April is not doable for me. Look forward reading the updates on the plans.
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Sorry to be the voice of "reason" on this, but with the recent attack on the USS Cole and the imminent U.S. military response against "those responsible," I would personally not choose anytime in the next six months to be an *American* in that region of the world.
OTOH, I do want to get there some day... |
also, keep in mind that US citizens will require a visa. the application process is time consuming so be sure to apply well in advance. using a visa broker will probably be the easiest way to go.
and remember that the US doesnt permit import of Iranian goods in most cases. so be careful buying those souveniers http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif to all who go have fun - iran is a wonderful place to visit and the areas of Shiraz and Isfahan are really worth the trip http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif |
MrKey .. man you are the adventurous one. Off to Northern Thailand in a few days to become a 1K and now this! OK, pencil yourself in. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
essxjay. It does sound like a wonderful travel destination. April is not set in stone by any means - it was all that one company was offering on its website. I have no doubt if 6 or so FT'ers are interested they'll organise a driver, car and same itineray at same price. Any month early 2001 sound better for you, so we might work around it? Kokonutz. We are talking several months away. Things will cool down by then I am sure. You may get t-boned on the Bethesda Beltway this afternoon. You may be fatally attacked by drunken neo-Nazis or football hooligans when we are all in a Dusseldorf pub next weekend. You may get hit by lightning playing golf. The next doo's dog might bite you and give you rabies. The chances of none of those happening is incredibly high, as is having a problem travelling sensibly in Iran IMHO. When was the last US tourist problem whilst travelling in Iran? The people are incredibly friendly and welcoming to tourists from all I have read on that website above. Yes there are some risks. ANYWHERE! I have travelled on vacation (therefore to often out of major city places) to over 100 countries. During civil wars, coups, violent riots, insurrections, hostile elections, religious forment, massive disruptions etc. Never had a problem. Has any US tourist from your 250 million whatever population been killed in the entire Middle East directly due to their present problems in the past 2 weeks??? The answer is NO to the best of my research. Has any American citizen died on the roads in the past month in the USA. Yes - 100s if not 1,000s. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum94/HTML/002844.html The thread above has some discussion on the risks or otherwise of travel to such places. [This message has been edited by ozstamps (edited 10-31-2000).] |
I never had a problem in Afghanistan when Kabul was invaded by a nieghboring country, I have been in earthquakes in Mexico, Volcanoes in Costa Rica smoldering meters away, rattlesnakes in Arizona, taxi drivers in Marrakech, wrong train to Amsterdam and I had my travel bag " lifted" at ORD. Its the state of mind and the realization of recognizing people of different cultures arn't really different...crime is everywhere....travel..see the world..it is an education that never is finished!
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We were just talking today about going to Istanbul in April, but I would sure love to go to Iran someday as well. Actually, I (we) am (are) up for almost anything if I can work out the timing.
We certainly aren't getting any younger. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif |
Can Americans travel to Iran? On another thread 2 days ago smg77 said:
"in most cases Americans cannot do business in Iran or with Iranian nationals. Travel is a different matter -- there's no travel ban a la Cuba here". From http://www.ustreas.gov/ofac/t11iran.pdf viz : "All transactions ordinarily incident to travel to or from Iran, including the importation of accompanied baggage for strictly personal use, payment of mainte-nance and living expenses and acquisition of goods or services for personal use are permitted". |
Funny, I just got back from having dinner with a co-worker (German national, lives in Switzerland) who was on vacation in Iran just last week.
He liked it, said it was a bit difficult getting around due to language, the people were wonderful and the dollar (or DM) rules. |
Agree with Punki's closing argument. I've been hit by a car (at age five), nearly lost a leg if not my life passing through the locks in Seattle (at age 13), and was T-boned at an intersection one block from my house on a quiet Sunday afternoon (at age 34). I've got six lives left in me, by my math ...
To hell with what the American government advises me to do. They don't own me. I'll take my chances where and when I see fit. By my rational judgement, my life is in less danger in Iran than in the hands of the average New York City cab driver. |
essxjay. Do you want to edit that?? It just .... sort of .... seems .... maybe .... like you actually AGREE with something I posted.! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
See you in DUS. |
Don't get too excited there, Ozzo ... I haven't cross-examined you yet ... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
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I wasn't there. It wasn't me. I didn't do it.
(Well, that stuff worked for OJ! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif ) |
My friend stayed near the former U.S. embassy, which is now called "Den of Satan" or something similar.
U.S. travellers should check out http://travel.state.gov/iran.html . Some highlights: The Department of State warns U.S. citizens to defer travel to Iran. Iranian President Khatami has called for a "dialogue of civilizations" and an increase of private exchanges between Iranians and Americans; some limited exchanges have taken place. There is, however, evidence that hostility to the United States remains in some segments of the Iranian population and some elements of the Iranian government. In July 1999, violent anti-government demonstrations took place in Tehran and other cities around the country. There were accusations that the U.S. was behind these demonstrations. Prior to and since that time, some groups of American travelers have encountered harassment by vigilante groups. The U.S. government does not currently have diplomatic or consular relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran and therefore cannot provide protection or routine consular services to American citizens in Iran. The Swiss government, acting through its embassy in Tehran, serves as protecting power for U.S. interests in Iran. The Iranian government does not recognize dual citizenship and generally does not permit the Swiss to provide protective services for American citizens who are also Iranian nationals. In addition, U.S. citizens of Iranian origin who are considered by Iran to be Iranian citizens have been detained and harassed by Iranian authorities. Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, as well as persons who encourage Muslims to convert, are subject to arrest and possible execution. The Iranian government reportedly has the names of all individuals who filed claims against Iran, and who received awards, at the Iran-U.S. claims tribunal at The Hague pursuant to the 1981 Algerian Accords. There are restrictions on both the import and the export of goods between Iran and the United States. Neither U.S. passports nor visas to the United States are issued in Tehran. SAFETY/SECURITY: U.S. citizens should exercise caution throughout the country. In July 1999, foreigners were taken hostage in Kerman and Bam. Travelers should avoid travel to areas bordering Afghanistan and Iraq. Iranian security personnel may at times place foreign visitors under surveillance. Hotel rooms, telephones and fax machines may be monitored, and personal possessions in hotel rooms may be searched. Taking photographs of anything that could be perceived as being of military or security interest may result in problems with authorities. TRAFFIC SAFETY AND ROAD CONDITIONS: While in a foreign country, U.S. citizens may encounter road conditions that differ significantly from those in the United States. The information below concerning Iran is provided for general reference only, and may not be totally accurate in a particular location or circumstance. Safety of Public Transportation: Poor Urban Road Conditions/Maintenance: Good Rural Road Conditions/Maintenance: Good Availability of Roadside Assistance: Poor Drivers all over Iran tend to ignore traffic lights, traffic signs and lane markers. Urban streets are not well lit. Therefore, it is very dangerous to drive around, especially at night. Sidewalks in urban areas only exist on main roads and are usually obstructed by parked cars. In the residential areas, hardly any sidewalks exist. Drivers almost never yield to pedestrians at crosswalks. CUSTOMS REGULATIONS: Iranian authorities may permit travelers to bring in or to take certain goods out of Iran. However, U.S. travelers should refer to the section of this Consular Information Sheet regarding U.S. Government economic sanctions and the importation and exportation of restricted items in order to avoid any violation of the Iranian transactions regulations. All luggage is searched upon traveling into and departing from Iran. Tourists can bring in and take out the following non-commercial goods, if they are recorded on the tourist's goods slip upon arrival at customs: personal jewelry, one camera, an amateur video camera, one pair of binoculars, a portable tape recorder, a personal portable computer, first aid box, and a camping tent with its equipment. Iranian authorities allow the departing passenger to take an unlimited amount of Iranian goods and foreign goods up to $160 (US), and their personal non-commercial equipment. Air passengers may also take one carpet up to 6 square meters. However, the U.S. government only allows the importation of up to $100 worth of Iranian-origin goods. Iranian authorities prohibit the export of antique carpets and carpets portraying women not wearing the proper Islamic covering, antiques, original works of art, calligraphic pieces, miniature paintings, different kinds of coins, and precious stones. They likewise prohibit the export and import of alcoholic beverages, weapons, ammunitions, swords and sheaths, military devices, drugs and illegal goods. CRIMINAL PENALTIES: While in a foreign country, a U.S. citizen is subject to that country's laws and regulations, which sometimes differ significantly from those in the United States and do not afford the protections available to the individual under U.S. law. Penalties for breaking the law can be more severe than in the United States for similar offenses. Persons violating Iranian laws, even unknowingly, may be expelled, arrested or imprisoned. Fines, public floggings, and long prison terms are common. Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, as well as persons who encourage Muslims to convert, are subject to arrest and possible execution. Drinking, possession of alcoholic beverages and drugs, as well as flirting or having sexual contact as an unmarried couple is considered to be crimes. Penalties for possession, use, or trafficking in illegal drugs in Iran are strict. Iran executes scores of persons each year on drug-related charges. U.S. citizens in Iran who violate Iranian laws, including laws which are unfamiliar to Westerners (such as laws regarding the proper wearing of apparel), may face severe penalties. The Iranian government reportedly has the names of all individuals who filed claims against Iran at the Iran-U.S. Claims Tribunal at The Hague pursuant to the 1981 Algerian Accords. In addition, the Iranian government reportedly has compiled a list of the claimants who were awarded compensation in the Iran Claims Program administered by the Foreign Claims Settlement Commission. The Iranian government is allegedly targeting award-holders who travel to Iran. It is reported that upon some claimants' entry into Iran, Iranian authorities question them as to the status of payment of their respective awards with a view to recouping the award money. It is also reported that the Iranian government has threatened to prevent U.S. claimants visiting Iran from departing the country until they make arrangements to pay part or all of their award money to that government. SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES: In addition to the U.S. government economic sanctions on trade and investment restrictions, travelers should be aware that most hotels and restaurants do not accept credit cards. Cash-dollars (not traveler checks) are accepted as payment. In general, hotel rooms have to be paid with cash-dollars. ATM machines are not available. Foreign currency has to be declared at Customs upon entry into the country, and the amount is entered in the passport. This amount can then be changed at the bank. |
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