Wiki/Reviewi For TYN 90K Fixed Redemption Strategies
#751
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: SEA (previous locations: DTW, TLV, EWR, BOS)
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Remember though that they ask you to pay the 7.5% excise tax, so your $1,800 might come in lower than that after they subract the 7.5%, which you are expected to pay out-of-pocket.
#753
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: UA nothing (former multi-year CO Platinum), AA 1M Gold, HH Diamond, National Executive
Posts: 449
Here is a possible way. Use your voucher to book a refundable ticket for a little lower value than the ticket you really want (lots of cheap refundable fares on SWA routes in Texas/other places). After a few days, change it to what you really want and pay the difference via your PPE card.
#754
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
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This is sort of urgent. I think I'm ok on this ticket, but since I have never done this before, I'd like to hear from experienced fixed point redeemers.
I just booked a 90k business class ticket, JFK - YEG on Delta for December 23.
For those of you that are experiencing dong Delta redemptions:
All flights are Delta flight numbers, but some are Delta codeshares of what are currently NW flights. Is there any risk to this to be reduced to the more restrictive NW voucher rules at the time I would cancel and rebook?
I think I can change this without penalty within 24 hours of booking if there would be a problem.
I just booked a 90k business class ticket, JFK - YEG on Delta for December 23.
For those of you that are experiencing dong Delta redemptions:
All flights are Delta flight numbers, but some are Delta codeshares of what are currently NW flights. Is there any risk to this to be reduced to the more restrictive NW voucher rules at the time I would cancel and rebook?
I think I can change this without penalty within 24 hours of booking if there would be a problem.
If you cancel the ticket within 24hr, your ticket value may go back to TYN and you would have to wait for TYN receiving the refund on their credit card, before TYN would refund your 90K pts, and that would probably be after Feb 28.
Last edited by Happy; Feb 14, 2009 at 8:52 pm
#755
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Here is a possible way. Use your voucher to book a refundable ticket for a little lower value than the ticket you really want (lots of cheap refundable fares on SWA routes in Texas/other places). After a few days, change it to what you really want and pay the difference via your PPE card.
#756
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I posted earlier in this thread about CO redemptions that would work. EWR-YVR for pretty much any date gives you a refundable ticket (so no change fee) for ~$1750 + $200 taxes. You will need to call up CO to change the ticket and request the remaining value to be put on an e-cert which will be valid for one year. Others have posted about workarounds to extend the date validity of the e-cert (basically you need to purchase a refundable ticket slightly more than the value of the ecert, and then cancel, which will result in a brand new ecert with an additional years validity being issued).
SFO-YYZ gives you a non-refundable ticket ~$1790 + $200 in taxes (you have to play around with dates to get this price).
SFO-YYZ gives you a non-refundable ticket ~$1790 + $200 in taxes (you have to play around with dates to get this price).
I have known an actual case that the e-cert balance although was requested, and confirmed by the CO rep on the phone, it did NOT happen. The balance of value went back to TYN credit card. The person who got burnt on this, had to call TYN to sort that out, and waited for the partial refund of his TYPs which amounted to 50K. He finally got a call from TYN on Friday that TYN rec'd credit from CO, and his 50K pts would be refunded to his account shortly. He hasn't seen the 50K yet.
To extend the date of e-cert, all you need is to take advantage of CO's 24hour full refund policy - you need to call in to cancel and the web support will then notate the ticket that no change fee would apply. So when you book against the cancelled ticket next time, there would be no change fee. And if there is residual value from that, a new e-cert is generated with new date. The regular rep cannot handle it when it is booked with e-cert. S/He would transfer you to web support agent for handling.
I am not sure e-cert resulted from cancellation of NON-refundable can be used to book refundable. As it is clearly stated in Fare Rules that credit from non-refundable cannot be used to book refundable, at least for the initial booking. Dont know about subsequent bookings though. May be the system can only keep track for the initial usage of the value.
#757
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Do you know if it might work in following situation with other airlines (say AA)? I book a refundable ticket and pay with Citi card. Then I call up airline and change date which should result in a new ticket #. Then cancel and request a refund which should result in a refund with a different ticket #. Please let me know (PM is fine). Thanks.
Only routing change would result new ticket number.
FWIW, for any meaningful mileage traveled on legacy airlines, you would need to shell out high $ initially. You may want to first check how much it is for a Transcon refunable on AA or any legacy airline.
Refund sometimes takes several weeks.
#758
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: PDX
Programs: AS MVP, HH Diamond
Posts: 2,550
This is sort of urgent. I think I'm ok on this ticket, but since I have never done this before, I'd like to hear from experienced fixed point redeemers.
I just booked a 90k business class ticket, JFK - YEG on Delta for December 23.
For those of you that are experiencing dong Delta redemptions:
All flights are Delta flight numbers, but some are Delta codeshares of what are currently NW flights. Is there any risk to this to be reduced to the more restrictive NW voucher rules at the time I would cancel and rebook?
I think I can change this without penalty within 24 hours of booking if there would be a problem.
I just booked a 90k business class ticket, JFK - YEG on Delta for December 23.
For those of you that are experiencing dong Delta redemptions:
All flights are Delta flight numbers, but some are Delta codeshares of what are currently NW flights. Is there any risk to this to be reduced to the more restrictive NW voucher rules at the time I would cancel and rebook?
I think I can change this without penalty within 24 hours of booking if there would be a problem.
#759
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Mid-Atlantic
Programs: AA Plat, UA Silver, DL Silver, Marriott Titanium, etc.
Posts: 4,210
If the ticket is in DL stock (I assume it is), then you get DL voucher.
If you cancel the ticket within 24hr, your ticket value may go back to TYN and you would have to wait for TYN receiving the refund on their credit card, before TYN would refund your 90K pts, and that would probably be after Feb 28.
If you cancel the ticket within 24hr, your ticket value may go back to TYN and you would have to wait for TYN receiving the refund on their credit card, before TYN would refund your 90K pts, and that would probably be after Feb 28.
Makes me feel good to get in on this at least for the last round; even though when I recognize now how tremendous the value was for those in on this program in the early days.
They told me that if I had to cancel within 24 hours, if the airline approved the refund, then I could reuse the points immediately (but who knows if the agent really knew what they were talking about). But it sounds like I don't have to worry about that.
#760
Join Date: Apr 2005
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#761
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Join Date: Dec 2006
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I was just told by AA phone reservations that even a date change will result in a new ticket #. So I am not sure.
#762
Join Date: Nov 2007
Programs: Marriott Bonvoy Platinum, Hilton Honors Diamond, Delta Gold
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I am not sure e-cert resulted from cancellation of NON-refundable can be used to book refundable. As it is clearly stated in Fare Rules that credit from non-refundable cannot be used to book refundable, at least for the initial booking. Dont know about subsequent bookings though. May be the system can only keep track for the initial usage of the value.
Last edited by friedablass; Feb 14, 2009 at 11:34 pm
#763
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
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From past experience you can use any CO voucher for any ticket available on their website - be it refundable or non-refundable. The voucher is used as a form of payment instead of a credit card, western union, etc. Therefore, you can use vouchers to pay for refundable fares.
I guess it means only the first rebooking must be non-refundable as the fare rules often stated such.
This makes me wonder if AA voucher works the same way? hmmm...
#764
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 492
I really want to use the voucher for a NW flight, this flight does not show up on delta.com, but does show on its award ticket inventory (only that no award seats available at lower miles and that is why I am thinking about TYP). So, with the delta voucher that I get by TYP, will I be able to use it for such a NW flight? Have anyone had such an experience, greatly appreciate if you could share..
#765
Join Date: Aug 2008
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