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SEE NEW THREAD - 50K AA Cards


As of Sunday August 25, 2013:
Reports indicate personal cards can no longer be rapidly churned.

Click HERE to review the previous thread on this topic.

Recommended Application Procedure:
Clear cache and cookies prior to applying or use an incognito or private browsing session to apply. Opening multiple different apps in different windows or tabs or failing to clear cookies/cache has resulted in people receiving a lesser offer.

For information on the Executive version of this card, with $450 annual fee, not waived, see: Up to 100k miles Citi Executive AAdvantage offers

MOST CURRENT 50K LINKS:

Citi Personal and Business:50K miles & two Admirals Club one-day passes after $3000 spend in 3 months, $95 fee waived first year.

Citi AA Platinum Personal Mastercard, 50,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here. This is a CHIP and Signature card.

Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC requires $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business and Personal MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to the following application pages:
Landing page for 50K Business MC after $3K spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. This page leads to this application page.

OTHER PERSONAL CARDS

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.

Citi Platinum Select Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year.

Citi Gold Mastercard. 25,000 miles after $750 spend in 3 months. $50 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here

If you are already a Citigold customer, read this post from the Miles Professor about another 50K offer from your branch office for the American Airlines credit card.

OTHER BUSINESS CARDS

Citi Business MasterCard. 40,000 miles after $3k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 35,000 miles after $1.5k spend in 3 months.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Landing page available here.

Citi Business Mastercard. 30,000 miles after $1k spend in 3 months. $95 annual fee, waived first year. Up to $100 statement credit for AA purchases. Landing page available here.


Citibank Contacts/Resources (Please add the others that you know)
  • Application status: https://www.accountonline.com/cards/...?screenID=3187
  • (800) 695-5171 – Personal Application Status and Reconsideration Line with live rep
  • (800) 763-9795 – General Personal Application Inquiries with live rep
  • (800) 645-7240 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (800) 288-4653 – Business Application Status and Reconsideration Line, dial option 3 then option 1 for application status
  • (866) 606-2787 – General Application and Account Questions with live rep
  • (888) 201-4523 – Application status
  • (866) 606-2961 – Reconsideration Line.
  • Twitter : @AskCiti. Very powerful tool.
  • Executive Office - useful for getting a more empowered agent for reconsideration purposes: CitiBank Executive Review Department, P.O. Box 6000, Sioux Falls, SD 57117

FAQ
  1. Are these AA cards churnable?
  2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
  4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
  5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
  6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
  7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
  8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
  9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
  10. When will my bonus miles post?
  11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
  12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
  13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
  14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?

1. Are these AA cards churnable?
Yes and No. The general rules are:
  • Personal AA cards: As of August 25, 2013 all linked personal AA cards in this thread can be churned only after Citi decides that you are no longer an existing cardmember. This usually occurs between 12 and 26 months after your last successful AA personal card approval of any type including AA Executive card(s). If you want both a Platinum card and an Executive AA card and are eligible under the 12-26 month rule, get the Platinum card first or the Executive card will restart the clock. Although it is not a hard-and-fast rule, 18 months after previous approval is the most common. YMMV. You do not need to cancel old personal cards.
    • Note: You cannot circumvent this rule by applying for a card type different from your previous Citi AA card. If your last personal AA card was a Visa, the waiting period for your next personal AA card will be the same regardless of whether you apply for a Visa, MC, or Amex.

  • Business AA cards: have been churnable repeatedly by some people without restriction other than the general Citi application rules. Apply once every 91-95 days. For unknown reasons, some other people have been unable to churn business cards at all. Also, some (but not all) people need to completely cancel their previous business card (ie, cancel both the card account and the associated master account) before they can apply for another business card.

    Note: If you encounter difficulty in obtaining a Citi AA business card after holding one before, it may because of the unusual way Citi sets up business accounts. The business account per se has its own master number; like a standard MC/Visa, this master account number is 16 digits. In addition, each card on the account has its own 16-digit card number. Each of these numbers, including the number for the primary cardholder, is different from the master account number.

    Sometimes, when you call to close your card account, all the card numbers are canceled but the master account remains open. When this happens, subsequent applications for a business card may encounter difficulty. Online, there should be a dropdown of accounts under your business login; the number that match your card number is your card account, the number that does not match your card number is your master account. When cancelling, ask to cancel both accounts, giving the last 4 digts of each (as shown in that dropdown).


2. What are the most current time-restriction rules in applying for all Citi cards?
  • Only 1 Citi application of any kind per week (8 days to be safe).
  • No more than 2 Citi applications of any kind in 60 days (65 days to be safe).
  • No more than 1 Citi business application in 90 days (95 to be safe). This does not override the rules above.

While the day limits are a little flexible by a few days either way and YMMV, the rules themselves are not flexible. Note: In applying the rules above, count all Citi applications, including denials and/or applications for non-AA cards.

Mixed type Example:
Day 1 60K HHonors Visa
Day 9 or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa
Day 66 or later 50K Business #1
Day 74 or later 60K Executive
Day 161 or later 50K Business #2
18 Months, 74 days or later 50K Personal Platinum Visa

Not sure what day you applied? The date is written year, month, day in the application number: 201402280000 means you applied on Feb 28, 2014


3. Do I need to close existing cards before applying?
No. There is no requirement that you close previous personal accounts. People have reported having 4 or more of the exact same card. However, many people have reported problems getting AA Business cards if they have an open Business account.


4. When should I close existing Citi accounts?
This is a matter of personal preference. Citi cards can be closed immediately after receiving a bonus and paying off the balance. There are no verifiable reports of Citi clawing back miles (exception - miles were clawed back for returned merchandise around November 2011).

Reasons to keep accounts open:
  • Having large credit lines improves your utilization percentage.
  • Maintaining old cards improves average age of cards.
  • Credit lines can be moved from old cards to new cards.
  • Anecdotal evidence suggests that Citi counts the credit lines of recently-closed accounts for 3-6 months against your total available credit.
  • You can receive retention offers once every 6 months per card. See this thread for details on the latest retention offers.

Reasons to close accounts:
  • Having a large amount of available credit with Citi will eventually reduce your chances of instant approval. Your application will automatically be reviewed if your CL's total 75K or more. This may also result in a large disparity between existing account CL's and new CL's, such as 20K, 20K and 1K for a new card, as an example.
  • There is little incentive to pay an annual fee if it is not waived.
  • The annual fee on Business cards is rarely waived.
  • Having a large number of open Citi cards will show up on your credit report and may affect non-Citi applications as well as the overall age of your accounts.


5. Can I apply for a business card if I don’t have a business?
Anyone can apply for a business card. You do not need a registered business with an EIN. If you do not have a business with an EIN or with bills/accounts in the business name, you can apply using your name as the business. The three possibilities are that: 1. You could be approved unconditionally, 2. You could be asked to fax a couple of bills or accounts (water, electricity, gas, cable, or phone bills, bank accounts, etc.) in the name of the business to Citi, or 3. You could be required to fill out and send a 4506-T tax form. Whatever you do do not make up income etc. about the business. Plenty of people have been issued cards for businesses with $0 annual revenue, 1-5 employees, and 0 years in business.


6. Can I buy Visa gift cards to meet my minimum spend?
Purchases from banks are almost always coded as a cash advance regardless of what they are for. Purchases from stores, e.g. CVS, are almost always coded as a purchase.
If you are concerned about it, it’s recommended to send a secure message Citi and have them set your Cash Advance limit to zero. Phone CSRs often say they can not do this.


7. Do I get 10% back when redeeming miles for awards?
It depends. First, the rebate program (which began in April 2012) applies only to holders of these cards:
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage Visa Signature
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World MasterCard
  • Citi Platinum Select AAdvantage World Elite MasterCard
  • Citi Select AAdvantage American Express
It does not apply to the Citi Gold World MasterCard, Citi Executive products, or some of the Citi Business cards.

Also, the maximum rebate for any cardholder in a single calendar year is 10,000 miles. Having more than one qualifying Citi AA card will not allow you to receive a larger rebate; the restriction applies per AAdvantage account.

For more on the 10% rebate benefit, see Citi 10% miles back / rebate for reward redemption.


8. Do I have to use my own AAdvantage number on applications?
Yes. The name on the card application must match the name on the AAdvantage account. You cannot apply for multiple cards for different people and use the same AAdvantage account number. AA does not care or even know how many Citi accounts you have so there is no harm in having your AAdvantage account number associated with multiple cards in your name. If you forget to add your AAdvantage account number to your application, an AAdvantage account in your name will be created and can later be merged with your existing account by calling AA.


9. There is nothing on the application page stating the bonus miles. How do I know what I will be getting?
You need to have faith in the people here if you want to maximize your miles. The people on this board constantly apply for these cards and report back what they are told are the benefits and what they actually receive. The way Citi works is that if you are approved for a card, you will get the bonus associated with the link you applied under as long as you make the minimum spend. It does not matter if you already had the card or anything else. If you are approved - then you get the bonus. The two exceptions to this are: 1. If you fail to clear your cache and accidentally load a cached application, you get the miles associated with that application and 2. Some people have recently succeeded in 'bumping the bonus' by contacting Citi and requesting a match to a 50K offer after applying for a 40K card. If you don't feel like trusting in the experiences of others, then apply for an offer with a landing page.


10. When will my bonus miles post?
Two working days after the date of the statement containing the charge that takes you across the spend threshold. It posts overnight, it'll be there when you check your AAdvantage account in the morning.


11. I met the minimum spend. Why does my statement say "Miles Reported to AA: 0"?
No one knows exactly why this is happening to some people (Citi blames AA, AA blames Citi, and both blame the merger). It supposedly has something to do with the time it takes them to properly link your AAdvantage number to your card. There are two ways to deal with this:
  • Wait 1-2 statement periods, and see if the points post on their own. Per Citi, it can take this long for the accounts to link.
  • Call AA (1-800-882-8880) and open a case about it. Most people have had their miles post within 2 weeks of doing this.

For ongoing discussion, see Some AA Citi Card miles not transferred to AAdvantage accounts [Q3 2013 - Q1 2014]


12. Can I cancel a card using secure messaging?
Yes, assuming you have set up the credit card in your Citi account. Quick and easy.


13. I activated the card online and got a message about this card replacing an old card. What does that mean?
When activating cards online, Citi normally displays the text:

"This account replaces your old account, which is now closed. Statements for your old account will be available for up to 6 months. Your current account summary and unbilled transactions are now listed under your new account number."
This is normal and is supposed to be displayed when activating a replacement card but it seems to display even when activating a brand new card. This is nothing to worry about.


14. Which credit bureau does Citi pull and can I force them to use a different one?
Citi appears to use Experian most frequently, followed by Equifax. For some people they pull both. It depends on where you are located. You can check the Credit Boards database to see where card issuers have pulled recently.

For the most part, freezing Experian, or another bureau, will not cause Citi to pull a different bureau. They will almost certainly require you to unfreeze the bureau they wish to pull or deny your application. Some people have been successful providing the PIN but others have not. Mostly, freezing a credit bureau in an attempt to force Citi to pull a different one seems to waste time, money, and effort for little result. But YMMV.

For one person's experiences with various card issuers, check here.


For rules and info on any offers that include Admirals club passes or statement credits, see here.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 10:23 am
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Originally Posted by sphillip11
So what do people think are my best bets for getting approved for aa 50K Citicard? Personal seems easiest but since I do have two viable business options should I use one of those? And if so, which one? How do I estimate income for #2 when it varies so wildly?
It sounds like you are overthinking this - which, I suppose, is better than underthinking it...

Clearly you've read the wiki, so just trust what you read there. Since it's been so long since you applied for the personal and, assuming you have no other recent Citi applications, apply for a personal card. Maybe go for the Mastercard version in case you need to talk to the reconsideration line?

Then in 8 days, apply for a business card if you want another bonus. Whichever business is easier to discuss/document is probably better.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 2:36 pm
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I got approved Business with credit line of $1000.
They can not shift credit lines from other personal cards.
Any recommendations how can I charge $3000 in one month? I have a big payment coming up where I can charge $3000.
It's a world master card, I believe I can charge over the limit, but will $3k be an issue?
Any advice, thanks
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by superking
I got approved Business with credit line of $1000.
They can not shift credit lines from other personal cards.
Any recommendations how can I charge $3000 in one month? I have a big payment coming up where I can charge $3000.
It's a world master card, I believe I can charge over the limit, but will $3k be an issue?
Any advice, thanks
Make a $900 purchase. The same day or the next day, push $900 from a bank account (or BB) using online bill pay to the card. Repeat.
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 5:08 pm
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Originally Posted by KennyBSAT
Welcome to Flyertalk! No, the 2-browser trick dies in January, then the 50K links died, then Citi began to allow churning of AA cards at the rate of 2 personal cards every 65 days from about May to August 25, and brought back 50K links in July.

At this point, you should be able to get one personal card for 50K and, 8 or more days later, one business card for 50K more. The personal clock will restart the clock for your next opportunity for a personal card, which would currently appear to be ~12 months later. But feel free to check here regularly as things change, and definitely study the wealth of info in the wiki.
The exception being if you have a targeted link. I just received my 50K bonus on a card I applied for via a targeted link In September and got the 35K MC in August
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Old Oct 14, 2013, 5:56 pm
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Just some data points for you all:

03/2012 Citi AA Visa and Amex (via 2 browser method) - still open
03/2013 Citi AA Business Visa - still open
06/2013 Citi AA Mastercard - still open

Applied today, 10/14/2013 for the Citi AA Business MC and was approved. Initially got a pending decision, so called in and got it approved, however, for a measly $1,000 credit limit. Barely enough to hit the minimum spend requirement. Oh well...glad it was approved.

Thanks to everyone on this thread for their info and input.
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Old Oct 15, 2013, 8:37 am
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Originally Posted by superking
I got approved Business with credit line of $1000.
They can not shift credit lines from other personal cards.
Any recommendations how can I charge $3000 in one month? I have a big payment coming up where I can charge $3000.
It's a world master card, I believe I can charge over the limit, but will $3k be an issue?
Any advice, thanks
I went thought this a week ago. I made a $2,500 payment to my Citibank credit card with a $1,000 credit limit. I used my BofA "online billpay" to make the payment; it posted to my account in 2 days. I am guessing that you could mail a check in also but might take longer to post. I was told by 3 different Citibank representatives that I would NOT be able to make a single charge over my $1,000 credit limit. I did not test this theory but i was able to spend $3,200 in 7 or 8 purchases to meet the requirement.
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Old Oct 15, 2013, 1:17 pm
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I can't help but think that the multiple 50k AA Plat card deal had something to do with this lol. Too bad all of those new cards are gonna wind up in a sock drawer

Citi's third-quarter results missed earnings and revenue estimates.

http://usat.ly/1aIw9zy
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Old Oct 15, 2013, 4:37 pm
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Originally Posted by flyer4512
The exception being if you have a targeted link. I just received my 50K bonus on a card I applied for via a targeted link In September and got the 35K MC in August
Was the application for the card you got in August before or after the data when the cards stopped being churnable? And did the T&C on your second card say that you wouldn't get a second bonus? I just got a (snail mail) pre-approval offer for a 35K MC, along with offers for Thank You and Simplicity. I just got a 50k MC last month. The T&C on the offer clearly say that existing and recent Citi/AAdvantage members aren't eligible for the bonus. I'd take the offer if I thought there was a decent chance of a second bonus.
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Old Oct 15, 2013, 6:23 pm
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Originally Posted by seasidesilva
I went thought this a week ago. I made a $2,500 payment to my Citibank credit card with a $1,000 credit limit. I used my BofA "online billpay" to make the payment; it posted to my account in 2 days. I am guessing that you could mail a check in also but might take longer to post. I was told by 3 different Citibank representatives that I would NOT be able to make a single charge over my $1,000 credit limit. I did not test this theory but i was able to spend $3,200 in 7 or 8 purchases to meet the requirement.
Not too long ago I had a Citi Thank You with a $5000 limit. Wife wanted to buy something for a few thousand over that. I wanted to make that purchase since it would meet the minimum spend requirement and give me 5points for every $ spent. I called Citi and they agreed to approve the purchase provided I agreed to an electronic transfer from my checking account. Agreed instantly.

Moral of the story. If you are planning to make a purchase in excess of the spending limit do it the simple way and call Citi for approval rather than trying some complicated stratagem.
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Old Oct 15, 2013, 7:22 pm
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Originally Posted by itchyfeet123
Was the application for the card you got in August before or after the data when the cards stopped being churnable? And did the T&C on your second card say that you wouldn't get a second bonus? I just got a (snail mail) pre-approval offer for a 35K MC, along with offers for Thank You and Simplicity. I just got a 50k MC last month. The T&C on the offer clearly say that existing and recent Citi/AAdvantage members aren't eligible for the bonus. I'd take the offer if I thought there was a decent chance of a second bonus.

I applied before the cutoff for the first card and the 2nd card said I would not receive the bonus if I had the card prior. One card was a MC and the other a Visa and I confirmed the bonus on the 2nd card before meeting the spend.
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Old Oct 15, 2013, 7:40 pm
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I posted this in the Citi HHonors Reserve thread, since its for that card, but I think the process is very similar here, so I thought I'd share:

Uh oh. I just applied and got to step 4, then did a live chat. They said they needed 24-48 hours. I called the backdoor #, and the woman said that a letter will be sent in 7-10 days after further processing. Definitely never a good sign. Did online status check and ended up doing another live chat, where I was told 24-48 hours and that they have everything they need.

I have the feeling I'll be declined due to too many new open cards. I have 4 AA Citi currently (2 opened this summer, but 60+ days ago), and recently closed 2 HHonors Signature's from early 2013. I've recently opened a SPG Amex and a Platinum Amex in the past 3 months as well.

CK score is 770, but Experian score is 720. I think I'm in trouble. I got cocky!
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Old Oct 15, 2013, 9:17 pm
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Originally Posted by kayjay
Not too long ago I had a Citi Thank You with a $5000 limit. Wife wanted to buy something for a few thousand over that. I wanted to make that purchase since it would meet the minimum spend requirement and give me 5points for every $ spent. I called Citi and they agreed to approve the purchase provided I agreed to an electronic transfer from my checking account. Agreed instantly.

Moral of the story. If you are planning to make a purchase in excess of the spending limit do it the simple way and call Citi for approval rather than trying some complicated stratagem.
I believe this is a World Mastercard which has no pre-set limit even if its $1000.
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Old Oct 16, 2013, 7:09 am
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Originally Posted by superking
I believe this is a World Mastercard which has no pre-set limit even if its $1000.
Where did you get this information from?
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Old Oct 16, 2013, 8:04 am
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Originally Posted by metoo
Where did you get this information from?
World Mastercard
"No preset spending limit as long as you pay in full each month the amount that exceeds your revolving credit limit." at least that's what the term says but despite of no preset limit there is still a soft limit determine by your transaction history...
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Old Oct 16, 2013, 8:43 am
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Exactly followed the instruction on the wikipage EXACTLY

I did get a few mailers for personal AA cards and business AA cards from Citi or AA to apply . The personal one were the 40k bronze or platinum offer and the business one was 50k offer.


Dad
AA Citi Personal Visa 03/2011 Approved- still open
AA Citi Business Visa 03/2011, 06/2011, 09/2011 ALL DECLINED
Hilton Cards(2) 08/2012 -Approved
AA Citi Personal MC 10/04/2013 Approved
AA Citi Business MC 10/14/2013 Approved $1000 credit limit, did not allow shifting

Mom
AA Citi Personal Visa 03/2011 Approved - still open
AA Citi Business Visa 03/2011 Approved - cancelled by 03/2012
Hilton Cards(2) 08/2012 -Approved
AA Citi Personal MC 10/04/2013 Approved
AA Citi Business MC 10/15/2013 Approved $1000 credit limit

Me
AA Citi Personal Visa 03/2011 Approved- still open
AA Citi Business Visa 03/2011 Approved - cancelled by 03/2012
Hilton Cards(2) 08/2012 -Approved
AA Citi Personal MC 10/04/2013 Approved
AA Citi Business MC 10/16/2013 Approved $1000 credit limit
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