Choice Hotels to acquire Radisson Hotels Americas.
I Just got an email from Choice Hotels. Choice Hotels to acquire Radisson Hotels Americas.
Choice Hotels International to Acquire Radisson Hotel Group Americas - Jun 13, 2022 |
Originally Posted by mgn2000
(Post 34331345)
I Just got an email from Choice Hotels. Choice Hotels to acquire Radisson Hotels Americas.
Choice Hotels International to Acquire Radisson Hotel Group Americas - Jun 13, 2022 Given the spread of Country Inn and Suites properties along with a few decent properties in major cities, I think this is a good move by Choice, both for its business and for its customers. |
Interesting.
For those of us with a decent stash of Radisson America Rewards, this is probably bad news: My guess: you can eventually choose to convert your points to Radisson Worldwide, or convert to Choice Privileges. Most likely, 2 Radisson points will become 1 Choice Privilege point. The Cat1 Country Inns cost 15k points. The cheapest Choice properties cost 8k points. The most expensive Radisson Americas properties cost 75k points. The most expensive Choice properties cost 35k points. I would disfavor this conversion ratio: I think Radisson points are worth 0.3 cents, and there are routine opportunities to buy at 0.35c during a sale. While some bloggers calculate Choice Privileges points to be worth 0.6-0.7c, I wouldn't value them higher than 0.5 due to the ability to convert Citi TYP to Choice 1:2 (when you have a Citi Premier). When Choice Privileges points go on sale, usually it's around 0.7 cents/point. Also, you need one activity per 18 months with Choice, while it's one per 24 months with Radisson. And you can only book awards 100 days out with Choice. |
Originally Posted by centrifuge41
(Post 34331588)
Interesting.
For those of us with a decent stash of Radisson America Rewards, this is probably bad news: My guess: you can eventually choose to convert your points to Radisson Worldwide, or convert to Choice Privileges. Most likely, 2 Radisson points will become 1 Choice Privilege point. The Cat1 Country Inns cost 15k points. The cheapest Choice properties cost 8k points. The most expensive Radisson Americas properties cost 75k points. The most expensive Choice properties cost 35k points. I would disfavor this conversion ratio: I think Radisson points are worth 0.3 cents, and there are routine opportunities to buy at 0.35c during a sale. While some bloggers calculate Choice Privileges points to be worth 0.6-0.7c, I wouldn't value them higher than 0.5 due to the ability to convert Citi TYP to Choice 1:2 (when you have a Citi Premier). When Choice Privileges points go on sale, usually it's around 0.7 cents/point. Also, you need one activity per 18 months with Choice, while it's one per 24 months with Radisson. And you can only book awards 100 days out with Choice. |
I fully expect Radisson Hotels to be rebranded to something else (or merged into Clarion) within the next 18-36 months. There is very little brand worth here (compared to Radisson Blu in EMEA/APAC) and will only cause confusion, especially if Choice and Radisson non-Americas will not have fair value point transfer ability. Not sure about CI&S as there are a bunch in developing markets like India, but those could likely go into other Choice brands. Park Inns and the remaining brands could likely be folded into Cambria or other brands pretty easily.
Originally Posted by centrifuge41
(Post 34331588)
Interesting.
For those of us with a decent stash of Radisson America Rewards, this is probably bad news: My guess: you can eventually choose to convert your points to Radisson Worldwide, or convert to Choice Privileges. Most likely, 2 Radisson points will become 1 Choice Privilege point. The Cat1 Country Inns cost 15k points. The cheapest Choice properties cost 8k points. The most expensive Radisson Americas properties cost 75k points. The most expensive Choice properties cost 35k points. I would disfavor this conversion ratio: I think Radisson points are worth 0.3 cents, and there are routine opportunities to buy at 0.35c during a sale. While some bloggers calculate Choice Privileges points to be worth 0.6-0.7c, I wouldn't value them higher than 0.5 due to the ability to convert Citi TYP to Choice 1:2 (when you have a Citi Premier). When Choice Privileges points go on sale, usually it's around 0.7 cents/point. I'm not sure why you wouldn't value them higher than 0.5 cents from converting TYP to Choice. I would value 1 TYP as higher than 1 cent (e.g transferring to airline programs), Saying there is a "cash out" option of 1 cpp with TYPs to Citi ThankYou travel portal or GCs is the wrong way of thinking, as that should be the value floor rather than the ceiling. |
Originally Posted by lowfareair
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I'm not sure why you wouldn't value them higher than 0.5 cents from converting TYP to Choice. I would value 1 TYP as higher than 1 cent (e.g transferring to airline programs), Saying there is a "cash out" option of 1 cpp with TYPs to Citi ThankYou travel portal or GCs is the wrong way of thinking, as that should be the value floor rather than the ceiling.
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I think 1:1 is just a pipe dream. 1.5:1 would be great. 2:1 is probably right. I have way too many Rad points (2M, which can also stand for too many) and find very little use for them domestically, which is almost all of my travel currently. I'm hoping for the 1.5 ratio.
I am just glad I hopefully will never have to deal with Rad America's CS ever again. |
One more possibility has occurred to me: Choice decides to approach this as they have Woodspring and keeps Radisson as a separate brand umbrella with no integration with Choice Rewards.
Seems an unlikely scenario, especially given the need to maintain a separate management structure, but Choice has taken no steps to integrate Woodspring into CR, including the exclusion of Woodspring properties when doing a search for cash reservations, suggesting that they've seen benefits from this approach. |
Originally Posted by lwildernorva
(Post 34332547)
One more possibility has occurred to me: Choice decides to approach this as they have Woodspring and keeps Radisson as a separate brand umbrella with no integration with Choice Rewards.
Seems an unlikely scenario, especially given the need to maintain a separate management structure, but Choice has taken no steps to integrate Woodspring into CR, including the exclusion of Woodspring properties when doing a search for cash reservations, suggesting that they've seen benefits from this approach. I do think either the brands will stay or some new brands will be developed to put some of the brands that don't cleanly fit into one of the others. Some thoughts:
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Originally Posted by jebr
(Post 34332643)
Woodspring also has no loyalty program (at least that I can see) and is heavily focused on the extended-stay segment, so much so that, at least on a cursory search, most of their hotels won't sell rooms for shorter than a week's stay. That's far different from even an Econo Lodge or Rodeway Inn which is still marketed as a standard low-end hotel/motel. Radisson's properties are almost all similarly standard hotels, and I'd be surprised if they keep two separate booking systems and reward programs long-term.
I do think either the brands will stay or some new brands will be developed to put some of the brands that don't cleanly fit into one of the others. Some thoughts:
In addition, Country Inn and Suites has developed a consistent brand identity and standard compared with many Choice properties. The Country Inn and Suites lobby experience is almost iconic and repeated across multiple locations, even when circumstances require differentiation from the normal look of a three-story property with an exterior that reflects homey touches. The Radisson name and brand doesn't register much in the US because of the wide variety of properties that carry the name. And outside CI&S, none of the other brands have enough locations to matter. I agree that Radissons might get folded into Ascend or Cambria or retain their branding while becoming a new brand within Choice that aims around the Cambria mark, especially given their presence in the central cities of major markets, a Choice weakness that it appears Cambria was developed to address. The remaining properties could be rebranded into existing Choice branches, but I think Radisson and especially CS&I were the reasons this deal made sense for Choice. |
Aren’t there rumors that Choice might purchase the other Radisson Worldwide portfolio as well in a separate transaction? To me that is the only thing that makes sense long-term. I’m holding on to a ton of Radisson Rewards points in the US program after the split. (All Radisson stays have been in Europe.) No interest in staying in Radisson Americas properties and even less so in any Choice properties. Just looked at the Choice hotels in Europe and they aren’t exactly appealing and there certainly aren’t many in the countries I travel to.
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Originally Posted by christianj
(Post 34333238)
Aren’t there rumors that Choice might purchase the other Radisson Worldwide portfolio as well in a separate transaction? To me that is the only thing that makes sense long-term. I’m holding on to a ton of Radisson Rewards points in the US program after the split. (All Radisson stays have been in Europe.) No interest in staying in Radisson Americas properties and even less so in any Choice properties. Just looked at the Choice hotels in Europe and they aren’t exactly appealing and there certainly aren’t many in the countries I travel to.
A little confused as to how/why you have a ton of points the Americas program if your only stays are in Europe. Either you earned them before the split - which is several years at this point, or you transferred them to the Americas program. But if neither Radisson Americas nor Choice properties are appealing to you, you can just transfer your points from the US program to the world program. |
Originally Posted by jebr
(Post 34332643)
Woodspring also has no loyalty program (at least that I can see) and is heavily focused on the extended-stay segment, so much so that, at least on a cursory search, most of their hotels won't sell rooms for shorter than a week's stay. That's far different from even an Econo Lodge or Rodeway Inn which is still marketed as a standard low-end hotel/motel. Radisson's properties are almost all similarly standard hotels, and I'd be surprised if they keep two separate booking systems and reward programs long-term.
I do think either the brands will stay or some new brands will be developed to put some of the brands that don't cleanly fit into one of the others. Some thoughts:
If Choice wants to expand the milennial/upscale market, they could use the Radisson Red brand as a launching pad, though only 2 properties left in the US means little. Park Inn and Park Plaza, though, dont have much name recognition in the US and with 4 properties between them, might not be worth keeping around. It is notable that 1 of 2 Radisson Reds and the only Park Plaza are in Greater Minneapolis, though, where there is a greater affinity to Radisson. They lost the flagship Radisson Blu to Sonesta a few years ago. I dont see that Park Plaza becoming in Country Inn if it stays round; perhaps some consolidation of Radisson/Radisson Blu/Radisson Red/Park Plaza. |
Originally Posted by Adam1222
(Post 34333454)
It would not make sense for Choice long-term, even if it might make sense for you. The majority of Radisson Americas properties fit very well with Choice's portfolio. The worldwide do not.
A little confused as to how/why you have a ton of points the Americas program if your only stays are in Europe. Either you earned them before the split - which is several years at this point, or you transferred them to the Americas program. But if neither Radisson Americas nor Choice properties are appealing to you, you can just transfer your points from the US program to the world program. |
Originally Posted by christianj
(Post 34333535)
Not sure why you feel the need to be confrontational in your reply. If Choice wants a broader worldwide presence then it would make sense for them but honestly I could care less. And as for the points I have, they were accumulated prior to the split of the program via stays in Europe and via the credit card but since I’m US based they were put into the US program….and I likely will transfer them to the International program which I also have points in that were acculturated via stays in Europe after the program split.
Choice, however, has not said it's goal is for a "broader worldwide presence." Rather, it has a "strategy to expand its growth opportunities by bringing the company's best-in-class franchising platform to adjacent hotel segments and to a new set of hotel owners." Moreover, there is no indication that Radisson's other properties are for sale. Seems like this merger will have no impact on you since you do not stay in Radisson Americas or Choice properties. |
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