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G-CIVC Jan 29, 2016 9:30 pm


Originally Posted by HkCaGu (Post 26103802)
Back to PEK or any Mainland airport: Immigration officers understand permissive dual of HK/Macau Chinese (those with HRP) and won't bother you.

This is the part I'm skeptical about, I understand that the party doctrine (as through http://www.gov.hk/en/residents/immig...hinese/law.htm) is that all foreign passports of HKers will be acknowledged and allowed as 'travel documents' only. My case is #3 and #4 in the 'explanation'. But I'm not sure if this is understood for every single border officer and how consistent they are, given this is China not Japan......in fact I remember an HK celeb writing about how he merely made a remark of 'you guys (你們中國)...blabla' at PEK security and was grilled quite a bit by the officer.

I haven't been to the PRC for a very, very long time. I just thought it wouldn't be culturally appropriate to openly challenge a government official in this case, and it could lead to serious consequences. Maybe I'm just paranoid here...

percysmith Jan 30, 2016 1:50 am


Originally Posted by HkCaGu (Post 26103802)
UK has confirmed Lee as a citizen, not just national. (Well, a British non-citizen national is essentially a Chinese nowadays.) How he obtained it we don't know. (The 1990s scheme is rejected by PRC.) Regardless, Lee is a HK native who never renounced. He's Chinese when on Chinese soil.

May be the British Nationality Selection Scheme, or he may have undertaken regular naturalisation.

Short of an explicit renouciation at HK immigration dept 18 months following the handover (which only one of my friends undertook), we're all Chinese citizens (I'm not sure how HK resident Chinese citizens with foreign citizenship can renounce their Chinese citizenship after that date).

I just find that CPG tends to be very creative when "discovering" a foreign citizen ethnic Chinese has Chinese citizenship when it suits them.

Bluehen1 Jan 31, 2016 2:47 am


Originally Posted by Bowgie (Post 26093397)
US citizen in San Diego. I recently got a brand new US passport because the old one ran out of insert pages. So it has 9 years left and plenty of pages.

I have a trip to Haikou coming up in early April and want a 10-year "L" Visa (30-day max stay is OK).

My trip is booked like this

LAX-HKG (2 days in Hong Kong)
HKG-HAK (one-way, about 5 days in Haikou)
HAK-HKG (one-way)
HKG-LAX (4 days in Hong Kong, then return flight home)

1. Does the LAX-HKG rt matter for the Visa application?
2. Do I need to list one or more Hong Kong to Shenzhen ground trips to increase the odds of getting a Visa with long validity? I'll probably want to do a day trip to Shenzhen anyway in my last four days in Hong Kong.
3. Are these guys reliable? www.mychinavisa.com
It's probably worth their $99 fee + FedEx charge to avoid two trips up to the China consulate in Los Angeles.
4. Any thoughts on staying at the Hilton resort near HAK?

I'll answer #4. I assume you're talking about the Hilton Meilan Haikou. I've been there three times. It's my "get away from the Chinese without leaving China" location. The hotel is, by now, coming up on two years old. It's never been close to full. Since the Chinese don't like the sun, the pools and beach are nearly deserted during prime sun hours. I usually just go down for weekend relaxation so I can't tell you about the shuttle into town. Executive Lounge is nice but may still not be serving breakfast yet. Have always gotten an upgrade to a suite when I've gone there as a Diamond. Taxi price is about 100 MB from airport and 80 to the airport. Roads on the way there are some of the worst I've been on in China.

moondog Jan 31, 2016 3:28 am


Originally Posted by Bowgie (Post 26093397)

1. Does the LAX-HKG rt matter for the Visa application?

I would certainly include it; hold it on aa.com, if possible. "Buying" from other sites (e.g. united.com or Expedia) also works, but it can take up to 10 weeks to get your money back when cancelling within 24 hours.


2. Do I need to list one or more Hong Kong to Shenzhen ground trips to increase the odds of getting a Visa with long validity? I'll probably want to do a day trip to Shenzhen anyway in my last four days in Hong Kong.
I always advise people to list multiple trips, whether actually planned or not.


3. Are these guys reliable? www.mychinavisa.com
It's probably worth their $99 fee + FedEx charge to avoid two trips up to the China consulate in Los Angeles.
They are the most mentioned visa agency here, and get good reviews. However, I've never had a problem with their (cheaper) competitors.

Bowgie Jan 31, 2016 3:43 pm


Originally Posted by Bluehen1 (Post 26108849)
I'll answer #4. I assume you're talking about the Hilton Meilan Haikou. I've been there three times. It's my "get away from the Chinese without leaving China" location. The hotel is, by now, coming up on two years old. It's never been close to full. Since the Chinese don't like the sun, the pools and beach are nearly deserted during prime sun hours. I usually just go down for weekend relaxation so I can't tell you about the shuttle into town. Executive Lounge is nice but may still not be serving breakfast yet. Have always gotten an upgrade to a suite when I've gone there as a Diamond. Taxi price is about 100 MB from airport and 80 to the airport. Roads on the way there are some of the worst I've been on in China.

Yeah, that's the one. Thanks for the report. I noticed on Hilton's website, another Hilton closer into town is "coming soon", but not in time for my trip.

Bowgie Jan 31, 2016 3:47 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 26108935)
I would certainly include it; hold it on aa.com, if possible. "Buying" from other sites (e.g. united.com or Expedia) also works, but it can take up to 10 weeks to get your money back when cancelling within 24 hours.

Brilliant idea for getting proof of air travel, but in my case I already booked everything almost year ago using the last of my Avios -- back before BA devalued them.

Bluehen1 Jan 31, 2016 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by Bowgie (Post 26111705)
Yeah, that's the one. Thanks for the report. I noticed on Hilton's website, another Hilton closer into town is "coming soon", but not in time for my trip.

Enjoy! The one thing that I forgot to mention is that the area that the Hilton in is nearly deserted. You'll see a lot of villas on your way in and nearby but I don't think I've ever seen anyone in them. The Hilton is to the east of the city while most of the other resorts and, I believe, the DoubleTree are to the west.

ColoradoCane Feb 10, 2016 1:32 pm

Occupation Box on Chinese Tourist Visa
 
I will be traveling to China as a tourist for the first time in a month, so I apologize if this is a stupid question. I am currently employed by the federal government and work as an attorney for an independent agency within the federal government. The options for "occupation" on the Chinese Tourist visa are limited.

Does anyone have a recommendation for which box I should check since I will have to also list the agency where I work?

jiejie Feb 10, 2016 3:44 pm


Originally Posted by ColoradoCane (Post 26164005)
I will be traveling to China as a tourist for the first time in a month, so I apologize if this is a stupid question. I am currently employed by the federal government and work as an attorney for an independent agency within the federal government. The options for "occupation" on the Chinese Tourist visa are limited.

Does anyone have a recommendation for which box I should check since I will have to also list the agency where I work?

Item 1.15-- Check "Company Employee"
Item 1.17--Put name of agency down if it is not going to put up a potential red flag to the Chinese. If it would, then you'll need to use acronyms and maybe dance a bit beyond that. Three examples of federal independent agency employers with various implications:
(a) Consumer Financial Protection Bureau....not a problem to list as such.
(b) Environmental Protection Agency....likely not an issue, but maybe just list as "EPA" on the Employer line.
(c) Central Intelligence Agency....um, you'll probably want to entirely avoid listing this or the acronym. :D In which case you might want to become in 1.15 an "Other--Consulting Attorney" and list your own address as the business address.

I once advised a would-be Chinese tourist visa applicant--an active duty USAF fellow based in Ohio--to adjust his employer to "The Wright-Patterson Companies." ;) Actually, you don't say where you are living or applying, but if it's the Washington DC area, the Chinese Embassy certainly sees many tourist visa applications from federal government workers so I wouldn't get unduly concerned about this.

ColoradoCane Feb 11, 2016 7:49 am


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 26164730)
Item 1.15-- Check "Company Employee"
Item 1.17--Put name of agency down if it is not going to put up a potential red flag to the Chinese. If it would, then you'll need to use acronyms and maybe dance a bit beyond that. Three examples of federal independent agency employers with various implications:
(a) Consumer Financial Protection Bureau....not a problem to list as such.
(b) Environmental Protection Agency....likely not an issue, but maybe just list as "EPA" on the Employer line.
(c) Central Intelligence Agency....um, you'll probably want to entirely avoid listing this or the acronym. :D In which case you might want to become in 1.15 an "Other--Consulting Attorney" and list your own address as the business address.

I once advised a would-be Chinese tourist visa applicant--an active duty USAF fellow based in Ohio--to adjust his employer to "The Wright-Patterson Companies." ;) Actually, you don't say where you are living or applying, but if it's the Washington DC area, the Chinese Embassy certainly sees many tourist visa applications from federal government workers so I wouldn't get unduly concerned about this.

Thank you very much! This is extremely helpful!

mspel Feb 16, 2016 2:38 am

**Found my reported lost US passport with Chinese Visa, Visa still valid?**
 
I reported my US passport lost but then found it. It contains my 10 year multiple entry chinese visa. I have applied for and received a new replacement passport.

Technically the Visa is valid in the "lost" passport and the new passport is also valid.

I know that China allows people to carry 2 passports (an expired one with a valid visa) and the passenger's current valid passport to enter the country.

Does this apply in the case of a lost then found passport?

Additionally does anyone who used 2 passports to enter China know if they scanned both passports? Or just scanned the new passport and looked at the old visa.

Respond with any feedback! Thanks

gpia Feb 16, 2016 3:57 am


Originally Posted by mspel (Post 26192194)
I reported my US passport lost but then found it. It contains my 10 year multiple entry chinese visa. I have applied for and received a new replacement passport.

Technically the Visa is valid in the "lost" passport and the new passport is also valid.

I know that China allows people to carry 2 passports (an expired one with a valid visa) and the passenger's current valid passport to enter the country.

Does this apply in the case of a lost then found passport?

Additionally does anyone who used 2 passports to enter China know if they scanned both passports? Or just scanned the new passport and looked at the old visa.

Respond with any feedback! Thanks

Starting with the second question: i have done that many times. They never scan the old passport, but look at the picture and visa only. The reason they don't scan it though is because the visa holding passport was made invalid (portion cut out), rendering it unreadable in the first place.

Having said that, I wouldn't try to enter China with a "working" passport that is reported stolen - instead, i would probably check with the agency that issues your passport and see if they/you can make the old one invalid. Since they are not going to scan that one, i would guess you're fine. I would still confirm this with your passport authority though, they'll know in which case a visa is valid or not.

JPDM Feb 16, 2016 10:06 am

You can enter with a passport while have the visa in an older passport that is no longer valid. I believe that while in China, you can have you visa transferred to your new passport.

jiejie Feb 16, 2016 1:55 pm

I don't think you have any issues here. That first passport was electronically flagged and invalidated once you reported it lost. It's not really any different than getting a new passport while being able to submit the old one, the only difference being your old one won't have a "cancelled" stamp, a corner cut off, or some physical mark showing the termination. A still-valid Chinese visa in that passport should still work fine, in conjunction with the new passport. The Chinese will scan only the new passport, not the old, and your travel details (air ticket info, etc) will all be according to the new passport number. Just paper clip the old passport to open up at the Chinese visa page, and hand officer that and the new passport together.

I think that if you try to hand over or send off your old passport to a US passport office, to get physically invalidated, you run the risk of it and that Chinese visa getting lost. When I renewed my US passport about 6 months ago, it came back without any cancelled stamp inside it, just 2 holes (size same as for 3-ring binder paper) in the front cover about 1/4" from the opening edge and 3" apart. The holes fall in that bar coded information on the bottom of the photo/information page, rendering it unscannable.

Tyler23 Feb 25, 2016 1:15 pm

Hi all, new member here.

Has anyone here used PassportsandVisas.com?

I need to get a China visa for my wife and I and need to make sure I can get it with a quick turnaround time. They have great reviews on Trustpilot, but of course there are some reviews saying the service is a scam.

I see those types of reviews, though, with nearly every company that offers this service, so not sure how seriously I should take that.


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