Tipping "The Times The Are A-Changin"
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Tipping "The Times The Are A-Changin"
Don't want to beat a dead horse on this forum about tipping in China but found this recent article interesting.
"There was a time not all that long ago when tips were taboo in our fair city —
(Shanghai)". Yet over the past year or so, we’ve detected a distinct change in the way tips are perceived. Perhaps it’s the recent influx of foreign waiters, or a more general awareness of bar and restaurant culture elsewhere in the world.
restaurants and bars are encouraging their customers to tip
from an American in Shanghai: Dan Washburn www.shanghaidiaries.com
I have asked Chinese about tipping and they have said its a western concept
that is slowly being adopted.
"There was a time not all that long ago when tips were taboo in our fair city —
(Shanghai)". Yet over the past year or so, we’ve detected a distinct change in the way tips are perceived. Perhaps it’s the recent influx of foreign waiters, or a more general awareness of bar and restaurant culture elsewhere in the world.
restaurants and bars are encouraging their customers to tip
from an American in Shanghai: Dan Washburn www.shanghaidiaries.com
I have asked Chinese about tipping and they have said its a western concept
that is slowly being adopted.
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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
[I]Don't want to beat a dead horse on this forum
Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
restaurants and bars are encouraging their customers to tip
Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
Perhaps it’s the recent influx of foreign waiters, or a more general awareness of bar and restaurant culture elsewhere in the world.
What on earth is the point of supporting this con? If you pay the stupid foreigner tax as it is so often called then you're stupid and foreign.
We know from previous posts that you've been stupid enough to tip left, right, and centre. That's your problem. For heaven's sake just give it a rest.
Peter N-H
Last edited by Peter N-H; Sep 8, 2006 at 1:47 am Reason: Some problem with italics
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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
I have asked Chinese about tipping and they have said its a western concept
that is slowly being adopted.
that is slowly being adopted.
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Originally Posted by Peter N-H
stupid foreigner tax Peter N-H
Originally Posted by Peter N-H
you've been stupid enough to tip left, right, and centre. Peter N-H
I think all FTers should respect others as here is a public forum to help each other, no need to get winner in a discussion. Some persons here really gained respect from many FTers cause they are real helper with good will. They gave the forum a healthy atmosphere to let more persons try to join in as it's helpful. Hope the forum would keep this way and all FTers not to forget to repect the other fellows.
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Originally Posted by ksu
American , not western. How surprising this might sound for US citizens, US customs aren't necessarily representative neither for the world, nor the western world.
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Originally Posted by ksu
American , not western. How surprising this might sound for US citizens, US customs aren't necessarily representative neither for the world, nor the western world.
As tipping is a small issue to discuss, no need to overrespond.
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Originally Posted by mcgahat
I get a 10% service charge in a majority of Europe...I honestly always considered a service charge a mandatory tip which is something I see quite a bit in Europe.
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Originally Posted by Peter N-H
We know from previous posts that you've been stupid enough to tip left, right, and centre.
Peter N-H
Peter N-H
Well what do you expect...I am American. Whenever I travel to China I always
go in a large group and takes lots of pictures and videos, peer out the windows of the tour busses waiting for the next buffet. Can't read anything but KFC and
KTV. Am loud, fat, poorly dressed and obnoxious.
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Originally Posted by ksu
American , not western. How surprising this might sound for US citizens, US customs aren't necessarily representative neither for the world, nor the western world.
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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
Am loud, fat, poorly dressed and obnoxious.
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Originally Posted by Vaze
You forgot to add "and very big tipper" to the above
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Never understood the fascination with beating a dead horse (sort of a weird idea anyhow). Nonetheless I will join in on this one.
Just back from my first visit to China. Aside from a couple of bellmen at tourist hotels there was clearly no one who even thought about getting tipped, including very upscale massage places in Shanghai and Beijing (one of which I and my companion were a little disconcerted to discover offered more than the usual massage), eating places and bars. Tipped no one and had no problems.
One Chinese guy told me that tipping was a corrupt Western influence on decent Chinese workers.
My input, don't tip in China--or Japan.
Just back from my first visit to China. Aside from a couple of bellmen at tourist hotels there was clearly no one who even thought about getting tipped, including very upscale massage places in Shanghai and Beijing (one of which I and my companion were a little disconcerted to discover offered more than the usual massage), eating places and bars. Tipped no one and had no problems.
One Chinese guy told me that tipping was a corrupt Western influence on decent Chinese workers.
My input, don't tip in China--or Japan.
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Originally Posted by mcgahat
I always wondered what the difference was between a tip and a service charge? I get a 10% service charge in a majority of Europe.
The 10% service charge goes to the owner(s) of the restaurant who use the 10% to defray the cost of paying their wait staff.
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Originally Posted by biggestbopper
One Chinese guy told me that tipping was a corrupt Western influence on decent Chinese workers.
In any country, tipping is not a regulated rule in the law. Tipping or not is just a social act, it's a reasonable existence. So here we don't need to discuss if it's right or wrong to tip. For those who don't tip they have their reasons, and for those tip they also have their reasons, when they get better service and some extra help from the small amount tips, it's really worth.
Stop debates to refer any racial or national differences, even it's so bad to do personal attack, give this public forum a free space to come out with individual ideas and experiences.
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Well I been to China 12 times.Tomorrow will be my 13 in 26 months.
Cities I been to Shanghai, Suzhou,Hangzhou Beijing & Guilin .
I never tip a waiter/waitress.
My local chinese friends says we do not tip and that what I do.
Almost all hotel restaurants charge a 15% service charge- that enough for me.
If a bell hop takes my suitcase upstair and places correctly, I'll give him 10 rmb
Cities I been to Shanghai, Suzhou,Hangzhou Beijing & Guilin .
I never tip a waiter/waitress.
My local chinese friends says we do not tip and that what I do.
Almost all hotel restaurants charge a 15% service charge- that enough for me.
If a bell hop takes my suitcase upstair and places correctly, I'll give him 10 rmb