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lsquare Jul 20, 2023 11:19 pm

Shanghai in winter?
 
I've never been to Shanghai in the winter before. Is it really cold? What's the weather like? I've experienced a Beijing winter before and it was incredibly cold.

travelinmanS Jul 20, 2023 11:33 pm

5 degrees damp and dreary

lsquare Jul 21, 2023 12:03 am


Originally Posted by travelinmanS (Post 35431532)
5 degrees damp and dreary

Constant rain?

YariGuy Jul 21, 2023 12:11 am

Shanghai feels much colder than Beijing because maybe as you know that north of the Yangtze river China provides factory-produced heat, and south of it it doesn't. Shanghai is also a lot more humid, making it feel colder.

In my 19 years in Shanghai, I'd say it snows on average 1-2 times each winter. Floor heating makes things a lot better.

lsquare Jul 21, 2023 12:13 am


Originally Posted by YariGuy (Post 35431581)
Shanghai feels much colder than Beijing because maybe as you know that north of the Yangtze river China provides factory-produced heat, and south of it it doesn't. Shanghai is also a lot more humid, making it feel colder.

In my 19 years in Shanghai, I'd say it snows on average 1-2 times each winter. Floor heating makes things a lot better.

Sounds like I’ll need to bring gloves and a thick jacket. I was thinking of flying in from HKG.

moondog Jul 21, 2023 3:07 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35431585)
Sounds like I’ll need to bring gloves and a thick jacket. I was thinking of flying in from HKG.

I don't bundle up so much myself during Shanghai winters because it usually doesn't get super cold. I agree with travelinmanS that "damp and dreary" is an accurate descriptor.

Beijing winters are typically much more pleasant than Shanghai winters (lots of clear sky days), but temperatures can be seriously cold (i.e. "yes, yes, yes" to the thick jacket), especially when the Siberian winds are in full force.

YariGuy Our lack of a central heating grid doesn't affect me (and I suspect you, as well) so much. Sure, a lot of restaurants are cheap wrt electricity well into November, but there is no shortage of venues that value customer comfort. The only time I recall being personally burned by this policy was when I was living in a foreign students' dorm in Nanjing during college, and the building took away our aircon remotes because "we didn't need them, as Nanjing is in the south".

lsquare Jul 21, 2023 3:25 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 35431834)
I don't bundle up so much myself during Shanghai winters because it usually doesn't get super cold. I agree with travelinmanS that "damp and dreary" is an accurate descriptor.

Beijing winters are typically much more pleasant than Shanghai winters (lots of clear sky days), but temperatures can be seriously cold (i.e. "yes, yes, yes" to the thick jacket), especially when the Siberian winds are in full force.

YariGuy Our lack of a central heating grid doesn't affect me (and I suspect you, as well) so much. Sure, a lot of restaurants are cheap wrt electricity well into November, but there is no shortage of venues that value customer comfort. The only time I recall being personally burned by this policy was when I was living in a foreign students' dorm in Nanjing during college, and the building took away our aircon remotes because "we didn't need them, as Nanjing is in the south".

Yes, but Beijing is unbelievably cold during winter. I'm speaking from experience.

moondog Jul 21, 2023 3:32 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35431867)
Yes, but Beijing is unbelievably cold during winter. I'm speaking from experience.

I already acknowledged this (having spent 3 complete winters there myself). If you play it strategically (e.g. rely more on cars than you would during other seasons and avoid long walks on N/S streets), it can still be quite enjoyable. Shanghai, by contrast, is more difficult to fix.

Palal Jul 23, 2023 9:16 am


Originally Posted by lsquare (Post 35431867)
Yes, but Beijing is unbelievably cold during winter. I'm speaking from experience.

Beijing is not cold (except when it snows and is damp, which is not often).... -10°C to +10°C most of the time...

For cold - try Harbin.

narvik Jul 23, 2023 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by Palal (Post 35437263)
Beijing is not cold (except when it snows and is damp, which is not often).... -10°C to +10°C most of the time...

For cold - try Harbin.


It's cold enough in Beijing, IME.
Our big workshop barely gets to +10°C for about 6 weeks to two months in winter.
The wind is pretty brutal too.

But yeah, Harbin is worse! :)

IluvSQ Jul 24, 2023 7:17 am

Coming from Canada, Shanghai in winter is always a bit warmer than home, similar to Seoul, so never a shock.
Not like it was 40 odd years ago, when there was no heating in offices and factories, and it was such a relief to get
back to the hotel after 12 hours without heat all day.

narvik Jul 24, 2023 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by IluvSQ (Post 35439613)
Coming from Canada, Shanghai in winter is always a bit warmer than home, similar to Seoul, so never a shock.
Not like it was 40 odd years ago, when there was no heating in offices and factories, and it was such a relief to get
back to the hotel after 12 hours without heat all day.


40 years ago?
I still can't get our employees to turn on the heaters in the common areas. They just refuse.
(Same in the summer for A/C..)

hkskyline Jul 25, 2023 9:04 pm

I thought central heating is only common north of the Yangtze? Do Shanghai buildings typically have this?

moondog Jul 25, 2023 9:56 pm


Originally Posted by hkskyline (Post 35444740)
I thought central heating is only common north of the Yangtze? Do Shanghai buildings typically have this?

No. Already discussed, starting in post 4. The thing is, access to the central heating grid isn't such a big deal anymore (modern buildings are more energy efficient, and extreme thrift is less common). Still, I don't think winter is a good time to visit anywhere between Nanjing and Xiamen.


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